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John, Give Them Their Club Back « Thread Started on Apr 4, 2010, 6:40pm »
Prior to moving to Hertfordshire 26 years ago I lived down in Kent and when I couldn’t get to Highbury, I would go along to see a local club. Gravesend & Northfleet as they were called in those days, or Dartford.
It seemed only natural, when I moved here, to seek out a local club and living in Harpenden, St Albans City or Luton Town were the obvious geographic choices. On my one and only visit to Kenilworth Road, I disliked the people and the place so St Albans City it was. Miss Mick the Mike (it was to be some 25 years before she became Mrs Mick the Mike) and I had season tickets at Highbury but when the Gunners are not playing, we sometimes came to Clarence Park, perhaps 6 or 8 visits a season. It seemed a friendly enough club and on a few occasions, John Mitchell kindly invited us into the boardroom.
Then in 2005/2006 the Saints gained promotion to the Conference National. I had spent most of my life in marketing, the previous 15 years as European Director of Marketing for two American companies. I remember seeing the open top bus parading around the city in celebration of the promotion and listening to speeches by Colin Lippiatt and Malcolm McMillan. I distinctly remember commenting to Miss Mick the Mike that the city would shortly be seeing huge marketing campaigns staged by the club to generate publicity and income in readiness for a more expensive season to come.
I waited in vain.
I remember the first home match of the campaign, a dire 0 - 0 against Cambridge United. The announcer said that they were looking for somebody to take over from him. Miss Mick the Mike, who in previous years had been my secretary and had seen me give presentations to large groups of people, tapped me on the arm and said “You could do that with your eyes closed”. Quite why I would do it that way, she never explained. Anyway, I had done a little bit of radio, voice overs, that sort of thing, and was quite relaxed about the prospect so I left a message with the Saints’ secretary. Some three weeks later I was walking along Marylebone Road when the mobile rang. It was the Saints’ secretary who asked if I was still willing to give the job a go. He said that the announcer would call me and a few minutes later he did. We met one weekday at Clarence Park and he handed me a typewritten sheet of the do’s and don’ts. Don’t forget the raffle. Don’t forget the Golden Goal. “Fine” I said, “If I have any problems, you’ll be around”. “No I won’t” he replied “I’m going to Prague for the weekend. You’re on your own”.
Anyway, my debut went smoothly enough, and after the match finished, a man came down to the box to congratulate me on my performance. Gratefully I thanked him and then asked one of the scribblers who that man was. “Ian Ridley, one of the directors” came the reply. None of the other directors made themselves known for the remainder of that season but I’ll always remember Ian for his kindness.
Since then, I like to think that I have “raised the bar” and have been complemented on my presentation by visiting directors and announcers from other clubs. Indeed one director of a club recently said, tongue in cheek “If you want a job at our place…..”!
In my time as an announcer, I have taken a keener interest in the fortunes of the club and am sad to witness its demise. John Gibson and I have got on fairly well after the first year of his blanking me and we have had a few beers together during that time and what I am about to say, I would say to his face.
John, you don’t know how to manage. The club is ambitionless and it is rudderless.
I have been shown around away grounds by the directors of Bromley and Dartford amongst others. The guys at Bromley, looking out over the ground from their impressive clubhouse, said that the gate receipts do not support the activities on the pitch. They then proceeded to detail how many weddings, parties, business conferences had been staged over the past two months. The amount of advertising around the ground, the match sponsor, the match ball sponsor told me that their marketing department was busy. This was what was keeping the club afloat
The Saints do not have facilities to stage receptions and conferences which would lead me to think that if they are to play on a level financial playing field with other clubs, St. Albans should be working doubly hard in the marketing department. But what are you doing? Absolutely nothing. When was the last mascot? The last match ball sponsor. The last match sponsor. When did we last welcome a group to a match? When did a company last pay for perimeter advertising? There is room enough at the ground for product demonstrations? When has that space ever utilised?
Have you ever thought about the army of volunteers that make a match day possible? Let me name a few. Geoff. Peter. Peter again. Rex. Jim. Ian B. Ian R. Barry. Dave. Sarah. Bill. Alan. Ken. James, Elaine. Jill. Nick. Some of these tell me that you have never even spoken to them, let alone thanked them for their efforts or taken them out for Christmas lunch.
When did you last thank the Secretary for his efforts? He is fending off debt collectors most days of the week. Yesterday, he couldn’t print too many team sheets because he was almost out of paper. He can’t receive telephone calls because the bloody phone is cut off.
I am a long term admirer of Steve Castle. He keeps his head down and gets on with it. He never moans (unlike me). He has performed, in football speak, miracles over the past couple of seasons. When I hear of the screws being tightened further and further, my heart bleeds for him. I have said it on many occasions - if those nice people at Camelot were to write to me, I would love to see what Steve Castle could do with a budget.
And let me remind you of an event that took place about 9 months ago. The friendly match with Watford had juts been announced. I emailed you and said that we should meet as I had put together a promotional plan that would attract 2- 2500 people. I never received a reply and when we bumped into each other about 3 weeks later at Clarence Park you said “There is no need for advertising, it will attract 2,000 without that”. Note that you said advertising, I had said promotional. There is a big difference. You were talking to a marketing professional and you ignored a good opportunity. You did not even have the courtesy to enquire as to the content of my promotional plan. In the event, the match drew 400 as I recall.
I remember when I first got involved with St. Albans City and a couple of people suggested that I got involved with the marketing at Clarence Park. Miss Mick the Mike rightly commented at the time “They would be at each others throats within 5 minutes”.
Over the past few weeks, I have become more and more demotivated. Your refusal to deal with the two guys that Ian Ridley introduced is disgraceful. Your quibbling over £2,000 extra that you wanted from the Trust is pathetic. Think of the hundreds of £000’s that your neglectful management has lost the club forever. And the club is awash with rumours concerning the eventual destination of the Oaklands sponsorship money. Why not clarify the situation?
This past week’s events have been like a punch in the stomach to me. The loss of further players. The prospect of Steve Castle having to start all over again for the new season instead of having a nucleus of players to build upon. I said to Mrs Mick the Mike last week that I was tempted to “jack it in” but she encouraged me to stay on. I emailed Dadaelus privately and he replied in similar vein.
I was gutted at yesterday’s display. To think that Mrs MtM and I spend about 12 hours of our time on club affairs each match week. I listened to Steve as he gave his interview to the scribblers. Oh, how my heart went out to him.
Last evening, I told Ian Rogers that I had had enough. No more time flogging a cheval morte. And Mrs MtM is through with the boardroom as well.
On the way home she asked me what I was going to do. “Are you going to send your CV around to local clubs?” she asked. Well, at the moment, I think that the announcer’s job at the Emirates is not up for grabs. And I will not say that the door is slammed forever at Clarence Park. “Welcome to A F C St. Albans City” is a bit of mouthful but you never know.
But for the moment, the club has lost the best and (most modest) announcer in the league.
Move on John. Your tenure has been fun. But your time is up.
Re: John, Give Them Their Club Back « Reply #1 on Apr 4, 2010, 7:20pm »
I am absolutely devastated to hear that you are giving it up MicktheMike.
Obviously, your post deserves a fuller response than this, and I will post a proper reply once I have had the time to re-read and think about what you have written here.
I can only repeat that I am really upset to hear this news.
Re: John, Give Them Their Club Back « Reply #2 on Apr 4, 2010, 7:29pm »
Very sad news to hear of your departure MTM, you make some very honest and thruthful points in your post and hopefully someone at the club reads it.
You will be missed my friend, thankyou for all the hardwork you have done and do for this club. We all appreciate it even if Mr Gibson doesn't, so please don't leave the club thinking you are not supported or loved by anyone, all of the fans support you and think you have been/are great.
To a great announcer, well done mate. You will be missed.
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Re: John, Give Them Their Club Back « Reply #4 on Apr 5, 2010, 8:37am »
Everything you said is spot on Mick, Gibson has been the cancer on this club since day 1 with only one intrest and that was to move to a new site and build on green belt land, he's never put a penny of his own money into the club.
Funny you mention the PA as it was me that did the PA at that Cambridge game, I had more chats with Ian Ridley than I'd ever had with Gibson, who seems unable to have any kind of relationship with anyone on a personal or friendly basis. We did some good brainstorming and the only reason I didn't continue was I wasn't ready to give up my position pissed behind the goal yet
The marketing is non existant, the marketing manager is clueless, he even once asked me for advice on how to market the club, I run off a few ideas to him and he said "I hadn't thought of that" words fail me
The club is summed up for me when I walked past the Hatfield Road entrance to the park at 1pm on Saturday and the advert was up for the Dover game
The Watford game scenario you talk of just sums up the arrogance of the man.
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Re: John, Give Them Their Club Back « Reply #5 on Apr 5, 2010, 9:29am »
I have a feeling i might see you at Hampton today anyway but i will reply to your post on here.
I understand exactly how you feel it sounds like working for Mr Gibson is just like working for my boss he never listens to me and thinks he knows better all the time even though i've got 20 years experience at what i do and he has none !
The fact that Mr Gibson responded the way he did about the Watford game and not even listening to you sums up exactly how he treats people from what i hear and also Mr ridley coming up to speak to you after the first match sums up him as well.
I think you know how much your (and Mrs Mick's) work is appreciated by those that matter anyway (the fans) i hope that you will return whether as you say as things are now or at a lower level.
All the Best Mick and keep supporting the (not so) Mighty Saints
Re: John, Give Them Their Club Back « Reply #6 on Apr 5, 2010, 6:04pm »
I have sent a private message to MicktheMike but I just wanted to post a few thoughts here too.
I was upset and disappointed to hear that MtM has taken the decision to hang up the mike, although of course I completely understand the reasons. I think that MtM is exactly the sort of person the club needs. In my opinion, it will be a huge loss for everyone at Clarence Park, not just because of the terrific job he does as announcer, but also because the club will be losing someone with a lot of positivity, passion and enthusiasm.
In terms of the problems at the club, I keep hoping that things will get better eventually but for the moment it’s very sad times at St. Albans City and losing someone who has a lot of positivity to bring to the club makes it even worse.
Re: John, Give Them Their Club Back « Reply #7 on Apr 5, 2010, 6:30pm »
MicktheMike
I'm in a similar situation (in a small way) and this too will be my last season, after all outstanding work is done. I have no wish to hijack your thread but i know exactly where you are coming from. good luck COYS gaz
Prior to moving to Hertfordshire 26 years ago I lived down in Kent and when I couldn’t get to Highbury, I would go along to see a local club. Gravesend & Northfleet as they were called in those days, or Dartford.
It seemed only natural, when I moved here, to seek out a local club and living in Harpenden, St Albans City or Luton Town were the obvious geographic choices. On my one and only visit to Kenilworth Road, I disliked the people and the place so St Albans City it was. Miss Mick the Mike (it was to be some 25 years before she became Mrs Mick the Mike) and I had season tickets at Highbury but when the Gunners are not playing, we sometimes came to Clarence Park, perhaps 6 or 8 visits a season. It seemed a friendly enough club and on a few occasions, John Mitchell kindly invited us into the boardroom.
Then in 2005/2006 the Saints gained promotion to the Conference National. I had spent most of my life in marketing, the previous 15 years as European Director of Marketing for two American companies. I remember seeing the open top bus parading around the city in celebration of the promotion and listening to speeches by Colin Lippiatt and Malcolm McMillan. I distinctly remember commenting to Miss Mick the Mike that the city would shortly be seeing huge marketing campaigns staged by the club to generate publicity and income in readiness for a more expensive season to come.
I waited in vain.
I remember the first home match of the campaign, a dire 0 - 0 against Cambridge United. The announcer said that they were looking for somebody to take over from him. Miss Mick the Mike, who in previous years had been my secretary and had seen me give presentations to large groups of people, tapped me on the arm and said “You could do that with your eyes closed”. Quite why I would do it that way, she never explained. Anyway, I had done a little bit of radio, voice overs, that sort of thing, and was quite relaxed about the prospect so I left a message with the Saints’ secretary. Some three weeks later I was walking along Marylebone Road when the mobile rang. It was the Saints’ secretary who asked if I was still willing to give the job a go. He said that the announcer would call me and a few minutes later he did. We met one weekday at Clarence Park and he handed me a typewritten sheet of the do’s and don’ts. Don’t forget the raffle. Don’t forget the Golden Goal. “Fine” I said, “If I have any problems, you’ll be around”. “No I won’t” he replied “I’m going to Prague for the weekend. You’re on your own”.
Anyway, my debut went smoothly enough, and after the match finished, a man came down to the box to congratulate me on my performance. Gratefully I thanked him and then asked one of the scribblers who that man was. “Ian Ridley, one of the directors” came the reply. None of the other directors made themselves known for the remainder of that season but I’ll always remember Ian for his kindness.
Since then, I like to think that I have “raised the bar” and have been complemented on my presentation by visiting directors and announcers from other clubs. Indeed one director of a club recently said, tongue in cheek “If you want a job at our place…..”!
In my time as an announcer, I have taken a keener interest in the fortunes of the club and am sad to witness its demise. John Gibson and I have got on fairly well after the first year of his blanking me and we have had a few beers together during that time and what I am about to say, I would say to his face.
John, you don’t know how to manage. The club is ambitionless and it is rudderless.
I have been shown around away grounds by the directors of Bromley and Dartford amongst others. The guys at Bromley, looking out over the ground from their impressive clubhouse, said that the gate receipts do not support the activities on the pitch. They then proceeded to detail how many weddings, parties, business conferences had been staged over the past two months. The amount of advertising around the ground, the match sponsor, the match ball sponsor told me that their marketing department was busy. This was what was keeping the club afloat
The Saints do not have facilities to stage receptions and conferences which would lead me to think that if they are to play on a level financial playing field with other clubs, St. Albans should be working doubly hard in the marketing department. But what are you doing? Absolutely nothing. When was the last mascot? The last match ball sponsor. The last match sponsor. When did we last welcome a group to a match? When did a company last pay for perimeter advertising? There is room enough at the ground for product demonstrations? When has that space ever utilised?
Have you ever thought about the army of volunteers that make a match day possible? Let me name a few. Geoff. Peter. Peter again. Rex. Jim. Ian B. Ian R. Barry. Dave. Sarah. Bill. Alan. Ken. James, Elaine. Jill. Nick. Some of these tell me that you have never even spoken to them, let alone thanked them for their efforts or taken them out for Christmas lunch.
When did you last thank the Secretary for his efforts? He is fending off debt collectors most days of the week. Yesterday, he couldn’t print too many team sheets because he was almost out of paper. He can’t receive telephone calls because the bloody phone is cut off.
I am a long term admirer of Steve Castle. He keeps his head down and gets on with it. He never moans (unlike me). He has performed, in football speak, miracles over the past couple of seasons. When I hear of the screws being tightened further and further, my heart bleeds for him. I have said it on many occasions - if those nice people at Camelot were to write to me, I would love to see what Steve Castle could do with a budget.
And let me remind you of an event that took place about 9 months ago. The friendly match with Watford had juts been announced. I emailed you and said that we should meet as I had put together a promotional plan that would attract 2- 2500 people. I never received a reply and when we bumped into each other about 3 weeks later at Clarence Park you said “There is no need for advertising, it will attract 2,000 without that”. Note that you said advertising, I had said promotional. There is a big difference. You were talking to a marketing professional and you ignored a good opportunity. You did not even have the courtesy to enquire as to the content of my promotional plan. In the event, the match drew 400 as I recall.
I remember when I first got involved with St. Albans City and a couple of people suggested that I got involved with the marketing at Clarence Park. Miss Mick the Mike rightly commented at the time “They would be at each others throats within 5 minutes”.
Over the past few weeks, I have become more and more demotivated. Your refusal to deal with the two guys that Ian Ridley introduced is disgraceful. Your quibbling over £2,000 extra that you wanted from the Trust is pathetic. Think of the hundreds of £000’s that your neglectful management has lost the club forever. And the club is awash with rumours concerning the eventual destination of the Oaklands sponsorship money. Why not clarify the situation?
This past week’s events have been like a punch in the stomach to me. The loss of further players. The prospect of Steve Castle having to start all over again for the new season instead of having a nucleus of players to build upon. I said to Mrs Mick the Mike last week that I was tempted to “jack it in” but she encouraged me to stay on. I emailed Dadaelus privately and he replied in similar vein.
I was gutted at yesterday’s display. To think that Mrs MtM and I spend about 12 hours of our time on club affairs each match week. I listened to Steve as he gave his interview to the scribblers. Oh, how my heart went out to him.
Last evening, I told Ian Rogers that I had had enough. No more time flogging a cheval morte. And Mrs MtM is through with the boardroom as well.
On the way home she asked me what I was going to do. “Are you going to send your CV around to local clubs?” she asked. Well, at the moment, I think that the announcer’s job at the Emirates is not up for grabs. And I will not say that the door is slammed forever at Clarence Park. “Welcome to A F C St. Albans City” is a bit of mouthful but you never know.
But for the moment, the club has lost the best and (most modest) announcer in the league.
Move on John. Your tenure has been fun. But your time is up.
Clearly from the heart, Mick. I think you probably speak for many, many Saints supporters at this moment in time. We are sick to the core of the way our club is being run and driven into the ground.
One thing really puzzles me, Mick. You talk about Gibson quibbling about the £2K extra from the Trust. Apart from the fact that the club has had something like £7K already from the Trust this season as well, if that £2K is the difference being staying afloat or not, it really is truly pathetic. And, from what I can see, it is destined to get worse not better. With reward always comes responsibility and I am not seeing that in any shape or form. What I am seeing, for one reason or another, is a chairman totally bereft of the wherewithal to finance the club. A simple option presents itself, you might think, when buyers appear on the scene and offer a six figure sum for club and an offer to clear the current very sizable 5 figure debt. Not so, it gets turned down. If anyone can come on here and explain why, I would love to hear it.
Just as worrying also is the paragraph towards the bottom your post, which states 'And the club is awash with rumours concerning the eventual destination of the Oaklands sponsorship money. Why not clarify the situation?' What are these rumours exactly? Because I don't like the sound of it. Does anyone know?
Re: John, Give Them Their Club Back « Reply #13 on Apr 7, 2010, 8:54pm »
It is strange that we have seen all this talk about offers for the club and yet it appears in my oppinion that Gibson has turned them down, what kind of offer does he really expect for the club? In it's current state with debts, a small playing squad and un-paid taxes the club is hardly a nice looking opportunity for investors or owners, and therefore any offers are going to be smaller and less than would be expected. But surely he should understand this?
Any offers from investors should be accepted, not many will come around and they are a rare commodity! Especially with the state the club is in.
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Re: John, Give Them Their Club Back « Reply #14 on Apr 7, 2010, 11:18pm »
And I would not exactly call the 6 figure sum for club and an offer to clear the current very sizable 5 figure debt a small offer. So why the turn down? There has to be more to it.
Re: John, Give Them Their Club Back « Reply #17 on Apr 10, 2010, 9:56pm »
Here's a bit of an idea that I've been thinking over for a few days now. It could be completely unfounded, but it's just a theory.
John Gibson, whether we like it or not, saved us from incredible financial trouble years ago. Ever since then, perhaps he has felt like we are indebted to him?
I mean, what if he thinks we are all being extremely unreasonable considering, in his eyes, 'what he has done for the club.'
Perhaps the very first negativity towards him he experienced triggered something inside him that said, 'How dare they do this to me, the ungrateful lot.'
And ever since then, he has alienated us, and taken us for a ride. Going about his business with his head down, never telling us, or anyone, what he is doing and getting us into this almighty mess.
For those of you who are Scrubs fans, you will enjoy this little analogy. In fact, it was while I was watching this that the idea first occurred to me.
Below is a link to a short scene from the American comedy Scrubs, in which the friends discuss saving the job of their other doctor friend (the blond one).
Now, do you see what I mean, the connection? Does Mr Gibson use the excuse of 'I saved your club, now I can do what I like with it,' to take us all for a ride?
You saw on that video how the blond doctor was blackmailed to an enormous degree. Are we the subjects of similar treatment? I don't know about you guys, but I value my hands, and I certainly don't want them attached to Gibson's chest.
What do you think?
Am I over complicating the situation? Coming up with some daft theory? Either way, I just want answers.
Re: John, Give Them Their Club Back « Reply #19 on Apr 11, 2010, 8:56am »
The Chairman wants to build a new ground, and I recall his media-issued threat to move the club to Hatfield some time ago, seemingly to facilitate this project and escape the difficulties of pesky (to builders like Gibson) Green Belt regulations.
But: (1) It's gone all quiet on this front since the Conference season; (2) Are the additional benefits of moving to a new ground, as opposed to carrying out work on The Park, clear and indisputable; and (3) How many of us fans actually want to move away from The Park?
Moving to a new ground is not necessarily a panacea for a club. Look at, for example, the current plight of Chester City (RIP) and Darlington, both of whom have moved relatively recently.