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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 22:23:09 GMT
Good stuff - what was that about?! Nothing serious I hope?
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2014 22:54:32 GMT
Hi all,
As Townsend suggests, and we're sure you've probably noticed, the Forum has been down for a number of hours after a Legal Claim was made against some of the images on here. This Claim was completely unexpected and caught us off guard, and as a result, led to the Forum being shut down by our providers, ProBoards, who were simply reacting to the Claim which had been lodged. The manor of the shut down meant we could not pass any information across to you, the members.
We had to wait until our enquiries to ProBoards received a response, and eventually they agreed that the Forum could be put back online.
However, for now, to avoid any problems, posting images on the Forum is banned. We would rather that it were not, but, it's at the request of our providers, and we just want to make sure we don't have any future issues. (A slight caveat to avoid confusion- You can link to images, but cannot post the actual image directly on here)
We can only apologise for the downtime, and we are hopeful that it has now all been resolved. However, we cannot guarantee that there will not be some down time in the coming days as we recover.
This Forum, we feel, plays a key role in linking the fans to the club, and we are very grateful of your patience and understanding while everything is resolved.
A big thank you needs to go out to Daedalus, who helped solve all these issues tonight.
Again, thank you for your understanding, and hopefully we can now move on, even if that is slowly.
SaintsChat Moderation Team - Daedalus, Saint & COYS.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 23:04:35 GMT
Daedalus is still alive? Thanks to the Proboards team for sorting it so quickly too, from experience these things can take ages. Out of interest, was it any image in particular that caused the issue in the first place?
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Post by EFMTFTV on Nov 13, 2014 23:06:42 GMT
So is anyone wants any nude pictures just send me your e-mail and I'll mail them to you rather than put them here
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Post by notsorecentconvert on Nov 13, 2014 23:07:29 GMT
Yes, what were the offending images?
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2014 23:07:44 GMT
Daedalus is still alive? Thanks to the Proboards team for sorting it so quickly too, from experience these things can take ages. Out of interest, was it any image in particular that caused the issue in the first place? He sits behind the scenes waiting to pounce when these sorts of issues arise. It was a number of images involved in the initial issue.
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Post by Saint on Nov 13, 2014 23:10:02 GMT
With it all occurring such a relatively short amount of time ago, we cannot really go in detail which images were involved, just yet, anyway.
We're still going through the 28,000 odd posts on here to make sure all image issues have been sorted/deleted.
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 13, 2014 23:17:21 GMT
Daedalus is still alive. He just has a 10-month-old daughter taking up all of his time so he doesn't get online very much at the moment! You can probably tell which images are missing. We no longer have a Saints Chat logo at the top of the forum and there is no longer a Saints City Trust Prediction League logo in the header of the forum either. These were made for the forum, specifically at my request, by someone who gave us full permission to use them but we are apparently now no longer allowed to use the images. It's a shame as they were rather good! I've got Saint currently working on MS Paint. He's knocking up a replacement logo and I can't wait to see the results! Images, I'm afraid, will now be taken down automatically, to avoid any issues like this in the future. We'll also have to consider removing avatars.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 23:45:40 GMT
A 10 month old son? Are you old enough for that? As for MS Paint, the less said about that the better - I assume that's a joke
Hey EFMTFTV, if we want nude pictures by the looks of things you can paste links to 'em, just not paste 'em in as images... Good for browsing at work
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Post by ProBoards on Nov 14, 2014 0:10:49 GMT
Hi all, We had to wait until our enquiries to ProBoards received a response, and eventually they agreed that the Forum could be put back online, and that we had not intentionally done anything to cause these problems.We, ProBoards, said absolutely no such thing. We received a DMCA Takedown and removed the content in question. That content was put back on the forum after we notified you of it's removal, and therefore your forum was taken offline. Violating copyright is against the law. Whether or not you have actually violated copyright is an argument between yourself and the copyright holder, we are not here to make any types of claim as to whether or not you "intentionally" did something to cause problems. Making such a statement is false and libelous. ProBoards Abuse Department
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Post by Saint on Nov 14, 2014 0:13:42 GMT
Hi all, We had to wait until our enquiries to ProBoards received a response, and eventually they agreed that the Forum could be put back online, and that we had not intentionally done anything to cause these problems.We, ProBoards, said absolutely no such thing. We received a DMCA Takedown and removed the content in question. That content was put back on the forum after we notified you of it's removal, and therefore your forum was taken offline. Violating copyright is against the law. Whether or not you have actually violated copyright is an argument between yourself and the copyright holder, we are not here to make any types of claim as to whether or not you "intentionally" did something to cause problems. Making such a statement is false and libelous. ProBoards Abuse Department Post edited, my apologies. I was only passing on the information I'd received from Daedalus, and I miss-understood some of the details.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 0:34:39 GMT
The semi-iron fist strikes again with my post being deleted
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Post by Saint on Nov 14, 2014 0:36:40 GMT
The semi-iron fist strikes again with my post being deleted I've PM'ed you Townsend.
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 14, 2014 8:13:39 GMT
It is indeed as ProBoards have said above. However, I would like to make it clear that this was a false (and I can only assume malicious) DMCA takedown. I received explicit permission from the individual concerned regarding the use of their images on the site. The images have been on the site since the very beginning of the Saints Chat forum and were designed by the individual for the forum. There has been no problem for five years (or however long the forum has been running). I've no idea what has changed. I was not contacted directly by this person. The DMCA takedown was the first that I heard of this issue. I have attempted to contact the creator of the images through various means but they did not respond. It's all a bit of a mystery to me as to what this is all about really. I have multiple e-mails and even some private messages on this forum from the individual concerned actually asking me if I would like to use his images and giving full permission. I don't know why but obviously the person had a dramatic change of heart in the last few days! I did provide evidence to ProBoards that the images were used with the full permission of the creator. However, ProBoards have only restored the forum based on the removal of the content that was causing this issue which of course I agreed to do without hesitation. I wouldn't want to use the images now anyway! It is a real shame that this happened but it is what it is. Anyway, I feel that is probably enough discussion on this and that we should probably get back to talking about the football.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 9:26:30 GMT
Cheers Daedalus - thanks for reopening the thread (not the best of restarts with one post deleted and one thread locked!). Any idea why said person changed their mind on the use of images? Maybe people want to talk about this a little more, rather than the football
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Post by cheshuntsaint on Nov 14, 2014 9:48:40 GMT
Wow, this all kicked off pretty quickly - it looks like the Saintschat twitter was tweeting the wrong account looking for answers last night....if you put "sta" before the name you should find it.
I'm sure he'll get over his hissy fit in no time and we can all be friends again.
I'm glad we are back on as i'm currently TOP TOP TOP TOP TOP AH DA LEAGUE in the prediction league.
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Post by stanj on Nov 14, 2014 13:09:45 GMT
I notice we all look alike once more...All avatars are gone!!!!! ?. I want mine back????can we?? or will we be upsetting PB again
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Post by Saint on Nov 14, 2014 13:13:32 GMT
For now Stan, we've had to take avatars down to avoid any future issues.
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 14, 2014 13:45:11 GMT
ProBoards aren't the issue as they're just doing their job.
The problem is that we need to make sure that we have permission to use all images that are posted on the forum. This includes avatars.
To complicate matters, we also have the issue that someone who has previously given permission can change their mind, as in this instance, and file a Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) takedown claim with Proboards.
You'd think that at St Albans City FC there would be a lot of goodwill and that people would want to share images promoting the club in as many places as possible. One of the things that has most shocked me is that one of the images in the DMCA claim we were involved in was promoting a Saints City Trust competition (the prediction league) and was put on the forum to promote the Trust and their fund-raising efforts. Sadly, as this shows, we can't take it for granted that it is okay to use all club-related images no matter how good the intentions are when posting it.
Anyway, I'm going to seek advice from Proboards on what to do about avatars. I totally agree with StanJ and I'd still like people to be able to use them.
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Post by cheshuntsaint on Nov 14, 2014 14:45:57 GMT
The same guy had a huge problem with the "View from the terraces" submitting articles / photos he couldn't / wouldnt credit to the author (trying to pass off as his own)
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Post by Saint on Nov 14, 2014 14:48:14 GMT
We're also hoping that we might be able to have a newly designed SaintsChat logo up over the weekend, if it all goes to plan that is!
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Post by Hatboy on Nov 14, 2014 16:58:29 GMT
Sounds like someone getting above their station to me
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Post by notsorecentconvert on Nov 14, 2014 23:46:33 GMT
Wow. Stunning stuff, if I'm reading between the lines correctly,
Don't get me wrong, copyright abuse is a pain in the neck, particularly for professional photographers, who used to earn money from their work and now have seen it devalued because of the ease with which photos can be pinched and used.
But to stamp down on people using pictures as their avatars? Wowzer.
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Post by rjwphotography on Nov 15, 2014 20:30:55 GMT
Would like to point out as asked today if it was me(Robert Walkley) or Leigh who complained about the use of our photos being used for avatars . Neither of us made a complaint about the use of copyright on here. Saying that maybe it would be polite if people who did use our images ask before hand.
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 15, 2014 22:22:35 GMT
Would like to point out as asked today if it was me(Robert Walkley) or Leigh who complained about the use of our photos being used for avatars . Neither of us made a complaint about the use of copyright on here. Saying that maybe it would be polite if people who did use our images ask before hand. Absolutely right. Nothing to do with Robert or Leigh. The issue was with images (graphics) designed for the forum and not photographs. I'd like to point out that I have corresponded with Robert Walkley in the past about his photographs and have nothing but feelings of goodwill regarding our communication. Robert allowed us to use some of his photographs in our match preview threads, when we (Saint and I) regularly posted them on the forum, and we gave him credit underneath the photograph.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 11:30:07 GMT
Daedalus - you've said you've no idea what's changed. Saint - do you?
I'm a bit lost as to whether the issue was relating to the images provided by this person for the forum, or images used in avatars, or images posted on the boards, or a mixture of all three, but will just hold back for a while! I hope Tavs doesn't mind his reports being linked and reposted, or his MOTD videos..!
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Post by stanj on Nov 17, 2014 14:01:35 GMT
Whatever!! I have posted a new Avatar any way!!
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Post by Hatboy on Nov 17, 2014 18:08:30 GMT
Have you got permission to use that ?
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