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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 14:30:41 GMT
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Post by cheshuntsaint on Nov 18, 2014 15:30:15 GMT
Well, that was very disapointing especially after Saturday's fantastic victory.
Ben Martin had one of his worst games this season, if the opposition are just hoofing the ball upfield he is good at dealing with the situation, his distribution on the other hand is shocking. A clear example is the Farnborough third goal last night, he tries a long pass, it gets intercepted and they race up the other end and score.
Chappells sending off...if he kicked out at the opposition player (which is what i've been told - might be wrong though) then he deserves to go regardless of the referee's performance etc. Hopefully now we'll develop a new tactic other than just slinging the ball into the box from a throw and watching it being cleared time after time.
We looked our best when the new fella from Dagenham (Nouble?) came on - caused constant problemsn and looked a class above. Frendo desperately needs a league goal to re light his spark - (thats not me criticising his play as I thought again he showed some superb first touches last night) just needs a goal.
Not a disaster, as at the start of the season, if you'd offered me a top half place and a 4th qualifying round FA Cup run i'd have taken it.
Disappointing to hear some of the language directed at the referee last night - not acceptable and needs stamping out ASAP.
Did I hear in one of Jimmys interviews that when BWood were promoted they only had 9 points by christmas in the first season - so we aren't doing that badly.
Roll on Saturday.
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Post by asaintreborn on Nov 18, 2014 16:19:30 GMT
I don't condone that behaviour either, but if the allegations about the ref are true and he called one of the players a richard head, he deserves everything he got there after. He is meant to be the one who is setting the example. I've never seen Joe welsh lose his temper, but what he said to the ref is bang on. "If you want to be treated with respect, then treat us with the respect you would expect of the players you" I won't put the last word. Didn't even send him off probably because he knew he was right. I'd Joe welsh loses it you have probably done something wrong.
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Post by yellowalf on Nov 18, 2014 18:38:29 GMT
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Post by Boomer on Nov 18, 2014 19:13:29 GMT
The bad news is we now have four home games in a row, and a fifth if we beat Wealdstone and are drawn at home in the next round. I'm already looking forward to Bromley away on the traditional last shopping Saturday before Xmas (back in the days when you could only buy things in shops and shops didn't open on Sundays)... Not quite. We are scheduled to play Kings Langley away in the HSC on 2 Dec, therefore only two more at home on the spin, Havant & Waterlooville and Wealdstone. |
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Post by davymac55 on Nov 19, 2014 10:49:40 GMT
Mmmmmm. not sure what to make of some comments. As someone who regularly gives forth and expresses strong verbal viewpoints , usually at officials, I don't feel that my vocal comments or those expressed by anyone else I heard,on Monday, were any worse than usual. I did congratulate the ref on his clearly shocking display(discuss) at the end of the game as he left the field. Wholly justified I feel. His performance was not that one would expect of an official at this level. And he was ably supported by his colleagues.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 11:14:16 GMT
To play Devil's Advocate, did you congratulate Ben Martin on his clearly shocking display, which wasn't one you'd expect of a centre-back at this level? No ref, no game and all that  |
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Post by cheshuntsaint on Nov 19, 2014 12:39:17 GMT
Premiership Rugby Final - Northampton Saints Captain Dylan Hartley is sent off for calling the referee a "F*cking Cheat" straight red no questions asked:
I wish football referees had the balls to do this sort of thing, as maybe just then the officials will be given some respect - some of the language and comments directed towards the official on Monday evening was a disgrace.
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Post by Hatboy on Nov 19, 2014 17:58:28 GMT
St Albans City boss wants more consistency after Farnborough home defeatSt Albans City joint manager James Gray has called for more consistency from his side after a disappointing 3-2 home defeat to Farnborough on Monday night. The Saints earned an impressive 1-0 win at Conference South promotion challengers Basingstoke Town on Saturday after teenage debutant Charlie Smith scored following his loan move from Luton Town. But the side’s success was quickly undone two days later after they were beaten by struggling Farnborough in their third consecutive league defeat at Clarence Park. Gray, who also handed a debut on Saturday to defender Ian Gayle after his loan move from Dagenham & Redbridge, said: “There is frustration and it’s there for all to see. It was like Jekyll and Hyde compared to Saturday. I felt really positive going into the game and we had a good warm up so I really felt we were going to be on the front foot but it just didn’t work for us. “We didn’t move the ball quickly enough and too many people were off their game - it’s our story at Clarence Park. It spreads like wildfire throughout our side. Too many times we were second best and to gift them the goals that we did, gives us a mountain to climb.” Gray says he would rather his players performed to a similar standard each week rather than the extreme highs and lows of the past two games. He said: “I’m not going to throw the baby out with the bath water but I’m not happy today and I was on Saturday. I’ve just said to the lads you can’t go from an eight or nine performance down to a five or a six. The reason people are playing at Conference South level and not professionally, because they’ve all been at pro clubs, is they can’t get that consistency. “That consistency is what I’m after and is why I’m disappointed. I would be happy if week in, week out everyone gave a seven but I don’t want to see nines and eights and then going down to fours, fives and sixes which has happened too many times now.” The Saints found themselves 2-0 down to Farnborough after Michael Richens and Reece Beckles struck. The Saints fought back to level through Steve Wales and Joel Nouble, however, an 87th minute goal from Phil Page secured victory for the visitors. “We got back to 2-2 and then gave away another terrible goal,” Gray said. “Three or four times it could have been avoided and it’s ended up in the back of the net. Good night Vienna and we all go home disappointed. “I wasn’t happy and told the players a few home truths. Collectively and individually it wasn’t good enough. “To be fair the lads came out second half and made a fight of it and tried to force the issue. At 2-2 it looked like there’s only going to be one winner and then we just gifted them a terrible goal.” Gray added: “I would have been happy with a 2-2 draw the way we played. The difference between the way we defended their third goal and the way they defended when Jon Nouble skinned a couple was telling. Their guy just took a booking for the team and that’s what we should have done. We didn’t do it and it’s very frustrating. “To lose the game in that manner after getting back level is disappointing and frustrating. This league is difficult and every time you make a mistake you get punished. Individually we could have done a lot better to stop those goals.” St Albans have been drawn at home to fellow Conference South side Wealdstone in the third qualifying round of the FA Trophy. The game will be played on Saturday, November 29. The Saints’ next match is against Havant & Waterlooville on Saturday at Clarence Park. The side will be without the suspended Lee Chappell after his late dismissal against Farnborough. Meanwhile, striker Geoff Mitchell has moved on to Canvey Island. www.stalbansreview.co.uk/sport/11608940.Saints_boss_wants_more_consistency_after_latest_home_defeat/?ref=rss
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Post by Hatboy on Nov 19, 2014 20:33:20 GMT
Gray aiming for more “professional” set up at CityMichael Edwards New lines have been drawn in the sand at St Albans City. Joint manager James Gray has had “heart-to-heart” talks with his players in recent weeks about a change in the way the team will be run. He told the Herts Ad that he thought a number of players were coasting and also suggested that some had ignored his instructions during games. “I felt some of them were on easy street. We need people pushing each other for the shirt and taking instructions onto the pitch from the manager, whether they think it’s right or not,” he said. The talks weren’t focussed purely on the players, though. Gray explained that the way he approaches management will also change. “I told the lads how it’s going to be from now on and they took it on board,” he said. “I have to move on from playing and being involved with that. I’m not saying I’ve been lenient or that I’m going to rule with an iron fist, but all that has to stop. We’re setting out a new structure so there’s more professionalism. “I told them that this week. For example, the performances on the pitch; if it’s not happening then we’re going to change it. We’re going to do things properly. He added: “Graham [Golds, joint manager] and I have had success since we took over but we need to kick on. We’re in a new league and everyone understands that. “It’ll be a gradual change but we all understand that we need to get a little more professional.” www.hertsad.co.uk/sport/football/gray_aiming_for_more_professional_set_up_at_city_1_3854337
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Post by boojiboy on Nov 19, 2014 22:49:26 GMT
Premiership Rugby Final - Northampton Saints Captain Dylan Hartley is sent off for calling the referee a "F*cking Cheat" straight red no questions asked: Maybe in that instance if the referee had asked some questions he would have realised that he was swearing at the opposing front row forward and not the referee. I don't think that football has anything to learn from rugby (union) which from a spectator point of view I find to be a dull, passionless and corporate dominated sport. I speak from personal experience having attended many top flight rugby union games as a recipient of corporate tickets and have seen more passion and excitement in a Herts Charity Cup crowd then I have seen at a rugby match. I agree that the abuse of the referee was OTT on Monday but would hate football to end up like rugby with a team of sycophants addressing the referee as "Sir". |
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Post by cheshuntsaint on Nov 20, 2014 9:15:12 GMT
Premiership Rugby Final - Northampton Saints Captain Dylan Hartley is sent off for calling the referee a "F*cking Cheat" straight red no questions asked: Maybe in that instance if the referee had asked some questions he would have realised that he was swearing at the opposing front row forward and not the referee. I don't think that football has anything to learn from rugby (union) which from a spectator point of view I find to be a dull, passionless and corporate dominated sport. I speak from personal experience having attended many top flight rugby union games as a recipient of corporate tickets and have seen more passion and excitement in a Herts Charity Cup crowd then I have seen at a rugby match. I agree that the abuse of the referee was OTT on Monday but would hate football to end up like rugby with a team of sycophants addressing the referee as "Sir". So your opinion on top flight rugby (being passionless etc) has come from sitting in a corporate box sipping champagne and eating prawn sandwiches.....the perfect person to ask an opinion from. Also no you are wrong - Hartley was warned by the referee for his conduct towards the official, and 30 seconds later (as the video clearly shows) Hartley looks directly at the referee and calls him a "f*cking cheat" It's called basic respect.....there is a reason as to why the numbers of referees is getting lower and lower in this country - probably becuase people like you turn up on a match day and abuse the match official.....and budget prima donna footballers like John Frendo and Lee Chappell feel its ok to run directly up to the matdy day referee and call him a ****. We clearly have a problem at this club with how we respect the officials and it needs stamping out ASAP. |
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Post by cheshuntsaint on Nov 20, 2014 9:20:00 GMT
Maybe in that instance if the referee had asked some questions he would have realised that he was swearing at the opposing front row forward and not the referee. I don't think that football has anything to learn from rugby (union) which from a spectator point of view I find to be a dull, passionless and corporate dominated sport. I speak from personal experience having attended many top flight rugby union games as a recipient of corporate tickets and have seen more passion and excitement in a Herts Charity Cup crowd then I have seen at a rugby match. I agree that the abuse of the referee was OTT on Monday but would hate football to end up like rugby with a team of sycophants addressing the referee as "Sir". So your opinion on top flight rugby (being passionless etc) has come from sitting in a corporate box sipping champagne and eating prawn sandwiches.....the perfect person to ask an opinion from. Also no you are wrong - Hartley was warned by the referee for his conduct towards the official, and 30 seconds later (as the video clearly shows) Hartley looks directly at the referee and calls him a "f*cking cheat" It's called basic respect.....there is a reason as to why the numbers of referees is getting lower and lower in this country - probably becuase people like you turn up on a match day and abuse the match official.....and budget prima donna footballers like John Frendo and Lee Chappell feel its ok to run directly up to the match day referee and call him a c*nt. We clearly have a problem at this club with how we respect the officials and it needs stamping out ASAP. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 9:23:32 GMT
Maybe in that instance if the referee had asked some questions he would have realised that he was swearing at the opposing front row forward and not the referee. I don't think that football has anything to learn from rugby (union) which from a spectator point of view I find to be a dull, passionless and corporate dominated sport. I speak from personal experience having attended many top flight rugby union games as a recipient of corporate tickets and have seen more passion and excitement in a Herts Charity Cup crowd then I have seen at a rugby match. I agree that the abuse of the referee was OTT on Monday but would hate football to end up like rugby with a team of sycophants addressing the referee as "Sir". If the referee had asked some questions? Good one boojiboy. He was warned, explicitly, as shown in the video. 'This isn't how you behave as a captain. Please keep your comments to yourself or I may have to deal with it by way of penalty... If you talk to me like that, and I think it's to me, I will have to deal with it. Do you understand?' Doesn't get much clearer than that. It would be a sorry state of affairs if rugby ended up like football with a team of charlatans addressing the referee as '****' then whinging when he replies in kind. |
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Post by gertchaefm on Nov 20, 2014 12:51:19 GMT
Good interview here with Jimmy from the official site, he doesn't like home games either! At £15 a time I don't think many of us do...... |
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Post by yellowalf on Nov 20, 2014 13:29:56 GMT
Premiership Rugby Final - Northampton Saints Captain Dylan Hartley is sent off for calling the referee a "F*cking Cheat" straight red no questions asked: I wish football referees had the balls to do this sort of thing, as maybe just then the officials will be given some respect - some of the language and comments directed towards the official on Monday evening was a disgrace. Basically, I agree. In my humble opinion its not the fault of the referees for not acting against swearing but the fault of the FA for not backing them. I can't find the link but I'm sure one senior ref sent off John Terry for swearing years ago and it came out that the FA told him off for it: apparently he should have just taken it and not given a red card. Wasn't Rooney sent off for swearing at West Ham some years ago and the ref got stick for that as well. Maybe my memory is cloudy...  If the FA publicly stated that all players who swore at a ref would get a red card and a five-match ban, there would be chaos for a month and then everyone would settle into a more respectful atmosphere. Football has managed to create a culture of disobediance and disrespect. No amount of Respect campains will change that, there has to be clear punitive action taken against players who abuse officials. Leave the abusing of officials to us fans! To the best of my knowledge no referee has ever changed his mind on a decision because the wrong party has shouted abuse at him. I don't like rugby union as a sport but every time I seem some hulking great beast of a player towering over a ref saying "Yes, sir; No sir" I wonder why they can get that in their game but we can't get it in our game. Chappell? Effing K-head |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 13:41:17 GMT
If Hartley had called the referee a f*cking d*ckhead he may've only got a yellow card. Questioning a ref's impartiality is pretty much the cardinal sin.
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Post by Hatboy on Nov 20, 2014 18:21:06 GMT
It's called basic respect.....there is a reason as to why the numbers of referees is getting lower and lower in this country - probably becuase people like you turn up on a match day and abuse the match official...... And you have evidence of that do you  |
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Post by Hatboy on Nov 20, 2014 18:25:10 GMT
Gray bemoans City’s lack of consistencyMichael Edwards James Gray bemoaned St Albans City’s lack of consistency after the club earned a moral-boosting win over high-flying Basingstoke on Saturday and then suffered a devastating loss to Farnborough two days later. The mood around the club was at its highest in a long time at The Camrose as Luton Town loanee Charlie Smith scored on his debut to give the Saints a shock win against Jason Bristow’s Basingstoke. Afterwards, Gray gushed about his team. He said every player was superb and called it a great three points away from home that banished the idea that City can’t beat a team at the top of the table – Basingstoke were second but fell to fourth after the loss. Fast forward to Monday night and, after seeing his side gift-wrap two goals to Farnborough, fight back to level terms and throw away a point, Gray was despondent. “It was like Jekyll and Hyde. I’m not happy, I was Saturday. We can’t go from putting in eight or nine [out of 10] performances to five or six,” he said. “That’s the reason people are at Conference South level and not professional – all of them have been at [professional clubs] but they can’t get that consistency; that’s what I’m after. “It’s so disappointing. Everyone there on Saturday saw what we can do and if we play like that we’ll be all right this season. If we don’t then it’ll be [tough]. I believe we have got enough to stay in the league but we’re striving for consistency.” He added: “I’d be happy with players putting in a seven [out of 10 performance] week in week out, but I don’t want eight and nine and then fours, fives and sixes, which has happened too many times. “We’ll dust ourselves down and go again on Saturday against Havant and Waterlooville - it’s not going to get any easier.” www.hertsad.co.uk/sport/football/gray_bemoans_city_s_lack_of_consistency_1_3855294
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Post by cheshuntsaint on Nov 21, 2014 9:31:34 GMT
It's called basic respect.....there is a reason as to why the numbers of referees is getting lower and lower in this country - probably becuase people like you turn up on a match day and abuse the match official...... And you have evidence of that do you "'We needed to raise awareness of the issue,’ he says. 'Eighteen months ago the referee dropout rate was as high as 80 per cent in places. The level of abuse is appalling. What some people don’t seem to acknowledge is that the referee is vital to the working of a match. Without a referee you simply will not have a game of football.’" www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/6415956/Who-would-be-a-football-referee.htmlA female referee says she's been forced to quit due to the "horrendous" abuse she gets from parents at matches. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/female-referee-andrea-ruddy-quitting-2878969Just two examples. Just remember "Without a referee you simply will not have a game of football." |
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Post by Hatboy on Nov 21, 2014 17:56:21 GMT
probably becuase people like you turn up on a match day and abuse the match official..... It was this comment I was asking if you had evidence of or else you could be guilty of slander ! |
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Post by boojiboy on Nov 21, 2014 22:51:48 GMT
I've never sat in a corporate box in my life. Prefer to mix with the riff raff then sit in the the posh seats. Come to think of it, I've never eaten a prawn sandwich either.
My experience of rugby union comes from sitting with supporters with their foam hands and complimentary sponsor's flags, to be waved with vigour when the bloke on the tannoy tells you to. Dull and passionless.
I have been to rugby league games and they share a similar atmosphere to football matches, an earthiness and honesty which is appreciated by everyone, including the match officials. I said that the abuse of the officials on Monday was OTT. It was unacceptable.
cheshuntsaint and townsend, you don't really seem to like the sport very much describing the players as "budget prima donna footballers" and "charlatans". Strange comments to make on the fans forum for the local community club that we all love.
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Post by minty on Nov 22, 2014 0:17:01 GMT
I have never been a fan of rugby and I guess I never will. I wasn't really exposed to it in my upbringing and my school was pure football.
So, I can't really comment on the sport itself as I have only ever been to one match and that was the Army v Navy. Didn't enjoy it but each to their own.
However, having been brought up in Harpenden we used to regularly come across an amazing amount of snobbery from those connected with the rugby club. There was a constant air of "we are richer and better than you" in the pub we used to visit. At times this almost reached boiling point with verbal abuse directed at us but we kept going because we couldn't see why we should have to stop going to "their pub"
Then there was another pub in Harpenden which wouldn't let you in if you weren't a "member of the club" an absolute joke, so it was always a challenge to get in. Again the "club" was the rugby club.
Now I know football has many problems with respect amongst players, fans and officials but rugby certainly isn't squeeky clean either.
Thought this was a football forum not a rugby one. Maybe we should start a new thread in the "Off topic" section.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 2:56:31 GMT
I've never sat in a corporate box in my life. Prefer to mix with the riff raff then sit in the the posh seats. Come to think of it, I've never eaten a prawn sandwich either. My experience of rugby union comes from sitting with supporters with their foam hands and complimentary sponsor's flags, to be waved with vigour when the bloke on the tannoy tells you to. Dull and passionless. I have been to rugby league games and they share a similar atmosphere to football matches, an earthiness and honesty which is appreciated by everyone, including the match officials. I said that the abuse of the officials on Monday was OTT. It was unacceptable. cheshuntsaint and townsend, you don't really seem to like the sport very much describing the players as "budget prima donna footballers" and "charlatans". Strange comments to make on the fans forum for the local community club that we all love.  Big one tomorrow, back to winning ways and camaraderie / togetherness on the pitch please... |
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