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Post by Boomer on Mar 17, 2015 17:32:10 GMT
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Post by citycentresaint on Mar 17, 2015 18:46:32 GMT
Sadly cannot see this happening with the Saints.
No support from the council and also the parasites from PCP.
A great shame.
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Post by St Michael on Mar 17, 2015 19:23:18 GMT
We cannot redevelop CP, we don't own it and there is no room to redevelop it effectively anyway.
The only way to prosper is to move, form a partnership with property and land developers, and that almost certainly means having the local authority as a co-partner because it is only commercial development of a site that can generate enough income to pay for the rest of the development !!!!
The council need to be partners in this because they will only allow development on greenfield sites near the city if it includes social housing and/or other community facilities. Schools/gyms/care homes etc.
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Post by nat038 on Mar 17, 2015 20:08:58 GMT
Sadly cannot see this happening with the Saints. No support from the council and also the parasites from PCP. A great shame. Parasites? I don't think so. Probably pay more tax than most of us. CP is something to be treasured and I'm sure with a little creative thinking a viable football club can thrive there. |
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Post by PaperSaint on Mar 17, 2015 20:52:25 GMT
Could enter into a bit of a political debate about the first comment Nat038 but want to focus on the needs of the club... "CP is something to be treasured and I'm sure with a little creative thinking a viable football club can thrive there." it's not as though we have not tried - a few months ago I was a keen advocate for making CP work. I've then spent a lot of time investigating and researching since then and listened to a variety of views and opinions as well. The problem is what creative ideas can be implemented to generate revenue without bringing about the ire of PCP! They do not want any more commercialisation of the club - and the local power they wield (and the wealth / legal expertise etc) is very damaging to the club. I would love to hear of any creative suggestions that we could present to the club. At the moment we (supporters) are coming up with creative ideas to bring money in but its only ever enough to survive rather than having a sustainable income to build a viable club at CP.
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Post by Boomer on Mar 17, 2015 21:03:22 GMT
Sadly cannot see this happening with the Saints. No support from the council and also the parasites from PCP. A great shame. Parasites? I don't think so. Probably pay more tax than most of us. CP is something to be treasured and I'm sure with a little creative thinking a viable football club can thrive there. Quite how much tax they might pay is irrelevant, Nat and, in any case, if they employ a decent accountants, the reverse may well be true. So what sort of 'little creative thinking' had you in mind? I'm sure we'd all be interested to know. |
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Post by citycentresaint on Mar 17, 2015 21:08:14 GMT
That is the opinion of the fans Nat.
They are standing in the way of the club developing in order to protect house prices in the area.
A large number of people involved in PCP don't even come from the area. Making the situation even more annoying to the lifelong fans of SACFC.
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Post by EFMTFTV on Mar 19, 2015 14:15:55 GMT
Of course what these idiots in the PCP don't realise is we all actually want the same thing and that is to move from Clarence Park but we do need to get more revenue from the place in the meantime
The council are only going to back a club playing at a decent level with decent crowds and these are going to have to come at Clarence Park to start off with, if the owners pull out and we drop down the divisions we will stay at CP and the hardcore 300 or so will still be going and making noise twice a week
Of course the fact that they have no problems with the cricket or tennis club just show their actual agenda, in fact the pratt that causes us most the trouble his wife is on the management committee of the tennis club (which must be a conflict of intrest) and that is a working class sport getting in the way of their middle class lifestyles. As for the commercialisation of CP by the football club, I bet if we looked at the accounts of all 3 clubs the tennis and cricket clubs finances will be in a much healthy state
Of course they are all lawers so go through the covenants with a fine tooth comb, well I tell you something I'm going to make it my own personal agenda to make sure that we can squeeze every potential penny out of that club within the boundaries of the licenses and covenants, if that means having a all-night rave there every Friday night then we'll start doing it
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Post by PaperSaint on Mar 19, 2015 19:08:18 GMT
That's the best post I have read on here for a long time!
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Post by citycentresaint on Mar 19, 2015 21:09:49 GMT
Yes as I have said, PCP only care about boosting the value of their homes.
The fact one of their supporters cited they pay a large amount of tax demonstrates the shallowness of their organisation.
They are parasites.
St Albans is being gentrified for people who have no affiliation to the area. These same people are trying to bring down the club.
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Post by nat038 on Mar 19, 2015 22:17:13 GMT
Yes as I have said, PCP only care about boosting the value of their homes. The fact one of their supporters cited they pay a large amount of tax demonstrates the shallowness of their organisation. They are parasites. St Albans is being gentrified for people who have no affiliation to the area. These same people are trying to bring down the club. Hmmm ... so eloquent. OK for how long do you have to live in an area to be considered a local? Beginning to look like characters from the film Deliverance. BTW the cricket club is not wealthy but does provide sport for 250+ youngsters throughout the summer at CP. |
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Post by PaperSaint on Mar 19, 2015 22:43:36 GMT
Yes the cricket club has issues with dry rot in the pavilion and could also benefit from some "commercialization" of Clarence Park. But commercialization does not equate to profiteering and the football club is not looking to be a profiteering club - just to be viable and sustainable which is what PCP! are very much against. The biggest joke is that people can make profiteer from non-league football. PCP! will stir up the emotions and passions you are witnessing here because they are using their wealth and power to impose the views of a minority upon the majority and act in a classist manner. They absolutely do frown / look down upon us oi polloi who are passionate about the game of football and have no understanding of the wider benefits that a football club brings to the community. I suggest you take 5 minutes to read many of the comments people left when signing our petition - you will see how much deeper the impact of the club is than the 90 minutes game on a Saturday afternoon at Clarence Park.
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Post by St Michael on Mar 19, 2015 22:51:36 GMT
Development of the football club at CP has been opposed by local residents for over 50 years, it is not a new phenomenon.
The club must relocate, and the only way to do that, even if a very wealthy sugar daddy turns up, is to fully embrace a commercial/community project with either social housing,or something else that benefits the community attached. The council will not release any land anywhere to the FC unless the development of a new stadium also provides social benefits.
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Post by PaperSaint on Mar 19, 2015 22:56:26 GMT
I understand that is what the owners accept - whether it is affordable housing and/or other community assets that provide benefit beyond the football club
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Post by St Michael on Mar 20, 2015 6:20:28 GMT
I think CP could be modestly and successfully redeveloped too, but, if you are going to do that properly it will cost £3-5 m and we still end up not owning the ground.
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Post by Hatboy on Mar 21, 2015 8:41:46 GMT
OK for how long do you have to live in an area to be considered a local? I think your missing the point, it isn't just that they have moved to St Albans it is as AppySaint said the fact that the minority with money and positions of power (from elsewhere) are trying to dictate what the majority of the people of St Albans Can/can't should/shouldn't do ! |
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Post by citycentresaint on Mar 21, 2015 11:28:19 GMT
OK for how long do you have to live in an area to be considered a local? I think your missing the point, it isn't just that they have moved to St Albans it is as AppySaint said the fact that the minority with money and positions of power (from elsewhere) are trying to dictate what the majority of the people of St Albans Can/can't should/shouldn't do ! Well said Hatboy |
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