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Post by EFMTFTV on Apr 29, 2015 12:57:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 13:05:49 GMT
disappointing to say the least
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Post by PaperSaint on Apr 29, 2015 13:15:27 GMT
Personally I would not want to see a price decrease - why limit our finances even further when this league will only become even more competitive. I understand the arguments about lowering price boosts attendance but my personal view is that we just need to move on - we are where we are and we need to start generating more income for the club if we want to stay at this level.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 13:19:44 GMT
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Post by Boomer on Apr 29, 2015 13:19:48 GMT
Have to say that £9 a game is not bad value for this level. Can't even get 3 pints in the Bar for that! |
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Post by Saint on Apr 29, 2015 14:00:32 GMT
Considering crowds were up by about 10% this season, I see no reason for a price decrease. £15 is still a silly amount for this level, but I don't think it would've been realistic to expect a decrease.
I suspect we'll see some more clubs move towards the £15 mark (Maybe not reach it, yet) with regards to ticket prices in the coming seasons.
The early bird season ticket offer is very good though.
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Post by euclid on Apr 29, 2015 22:44:10 GMT
Any chance the Board will publish the Clubs accounts, so we know where the money is going?
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Post by bob666 on Apr 30, 2015 0:10:38 GMT
The early bird season ticket is reasonable value but I am not sure if I will buy one because of McGown public statements about the possibility of him withdrawing his investment. What guarantees are there that if planning process is stalled the owners will not simply pull the budget mid-season? If I going to get a season ticket what reassurances are there that I get to watch a team with a stable (if relatively low) budget that will allow us to be at least minimally competitive- not simply lose every game?
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Post by EFMTFTV on Apr 30, 2015 0:53:56 GMT
We apparently already had the 3rd lowest budget in league, which is basically a relation place
So if the budget is cut half way through the season then I'm not sure it would make too much of a difference
And anyway you should support your team through thick and thin
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Post by bob666 on Apr 30, 2015 1:03:58 GMT
There a difference between having the 3rd lowest budget in the league and having the lowest by a country mile and losing almost every game. And why should the fans be held to different standard top everyone else? Why should the fans to be expected to support unconditionally if the owners (or at least McGown) support is highly conditional- as he made clear?
Think of in terms of another purchase. Most gyms offer cheaper rates if you pay a year upfront. Image a gym owner publicly saying I may withdraw my investment at any time, on by the way buy a year's membership in advance
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Post by yellowalf on Apr 30, 2015 6:17:38 GMT
Any chance the Board will publish the Clubs accounts, so we know where the money is going? The Board are legally required to publish the club accounts annually, which they do. The Balance Sheet to June 2014 shows the club lost £48k for that year compared to £108k to the year ending June 2013. There isn't much detail on the published accounts, so I presume you mean that you'd like to see the club's bank statements to see the costs of everything? You'd need to be a shareholder to have access to that level of information. |
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Post by yellowalf on Apr 30, 2015 6:29:22 GMT
There a difference between having the 3rd lowest budget in the league and having the lowest by a country mile and losing almost every game. And why should the fans be held to different standard top everyone else? Why should the fans to be expected to support unconditionally if the owners (or at least McGown) support is highly conditional- as he made clear? Think of in terms of another purchase. Most gyms offer cheaper rates if you pay a year upfront. Image a gym owner publicly saying I may withdraw my investment at any time, on by the way buy a year's membership in advance Does it matter what the gym-owner says as long as the gym continues to exist? You're buying the facilities offered by the gym, not the ownership of the gym by a particular person. Your argument suggests that you don't believe the club will continue to trade until this time next year. We fans aren't being expected to support unconditionally, we're being offered a discount of 36% on the cost of admission, or 40% if you're a Saints Snowball member. You can call McGowan to task on his comments if you want to; I cannot for the life of me understand why you are using them to put such a negative spin on what is a great offer for Saints supporters. |
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Post by PaperSaint on Apr 30, 2015 7:27:20 GMT
I don't believe that McGowan has ever said that he would walk away mid-season and - despite the initial statement - there has been no indication that he will walk away this summer. In fact, I understand that he has been encouraged by recent events, including the Stand by your Saints campaign.
A gym owner might very well tell their customers that the gym may close if insufficient new memberships are sold - and want existing customers to promote to friends, colleagues etc to prevent that closure.
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Post by PaperSaint on Apr 30, 2015 7:32:22 GMT
If I going to get a season ticket what reassurances are there that I get to watch a team with a stable (if relatively low) budget that will allow us to be at least minimally competitive- not simply lose every game? This is why Boost the Budget has been set up - so that we do have a chance to remain competitive. I am going to be saying this a lot over the coming months - and no apologies for it(!) - but every little counts standbyyoursaints.com/fundraisers/boost-the-budget/ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 7:34:55 GMT
you could set it as a signature
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Post by Boomer on Apr 30, 2015 12:45:25 GMT
The early bird season ticket is reasonable value...................... I can't agree with that at all. Don't undersell it. £9.05 a game is excellent value. |
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Post by Hatboy on Apr 30, 2015 18:48:08 GMT
Even if they did pull out mid season that is exactly why the trust holds money in the bank
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 6:51:34 GMT
you took my advice appy  if we lost 48000 last season the trusts money in the bank would last about a month ! |
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Post by Canary Saint on May 1, 2015 9:40:43 GMT
..............I understand that he has been encouraged by recent events, including the Stand by your Saints campaign. It does not surprise mm that he is encouraged by the SBYS campaign. Anything that means he does not have to dig so deep in his pockets must be a good thing from his point of view.   |
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Post by notsorecentconvert on May 1, 2015 10:48:37 GMT
The season ticket is a good deal if you can commit to enough games. I imagine some fans are like me and need to see the league and non-league fixtures before deciding whether it's worthwhile.
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Post by Hatboy on May 1, 2015 19:11:58 GMT
if we lost 48000 last season the trusts money in the bank would last about a month ! Your maths isn't very good but that aside it depends on who your playing/paying (and those off the field) and how much |
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Post by bob666 on May 1, 2015 22:01:48 GMT
Ok I take the points made and I will get a season ticket but still the less uncertainty around the club the easier it is for people to commit for a year. Its not unusual for a club at this level to fail to complete its fixtures or do so with a essentially amateur team that is completely uncompetitive. I don't think most people quantify and analyse these things but think more instinctively the owner of a loss making business has publically threatened to withdraw support is it safe to commit for a year? Given that fans do lose their season ticket money every year it is poor mood music
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Post by EFMTFTV on May 2, 2015 1:05:39 GMT
. Its not unusual for a club at this level to fail to complete its fixtures or do so with a essentially amateur team and is completely uncompetitive. I would argue that is still very unusual |
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Post by westwalessaint on May 2, 2015 9:27:45 GMT
Sorry I'm coming late to this discussion but I think the decision is to be welcomed. I can't remember any time that Saints lowered their prices so the season ticket deal is a good one.
With regard to weakened teams finishing the season or not completing the season - this is very rare at the standard Saints play at. Even Hereford and Salisbury finished their seasons last year. I doubt if many people bought season tickets at Hereford this season after knowing the financial situation.
If people are true supporters then they'll follow their team through good and bad times.
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Post by Hatboy on May 6, 2015 8:40:55 GMT
Anybody know how many season tickets were sold last season ? It would be interesting to see how it compared with before especially the last 3 or 4 seasons and how many we sell this season at such a good price
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Post by barringtongobi on May 13, 2015 11:44:11 GMT
The season ticket deal is a great deal. We've seen the club go close to the wire before, however (fortunately) it is still here. Just because the season ticket price is low, doesn't automatically mean that the likelihood of the club going bust increases. Our income will be based around ticket sales, commercial activities & loans.
I suspect this is about cash flow in the summer months - when commercial income is low & there are no ticket sales. This is the income the club needs to keep operations ticking over until the new season starts. The more income now, the less we need to borrow (investment by owners).
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If the saints play 14 home games you are quids in. 14 games x £15 = £210. So, 31 mins in to game 14 you will be in 'profit' for the season....
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