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Post by Saint on Jan 14, 2016 17:48:16 GMT
Harry Wheeler appointed manager.
Adam Lee comes in as director of football... Last job at Potters Bar possibly?
Hmmmm... Am sure this thread will be interesting.
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Post by Saint on Jan 14, 2016 17:50:08 GMT
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ebsacfc
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Post by ebsacfc on Jan 14, 2016 18:24:15 GMT
How can the club justify this appointment? We gained 2 points from 12 in vital games over xmas and have just been hammered 5-0 under Wheelers management.
He seems like a good coach and a nice bloke but a time like this calls for experience.
We are destined for the Southern League.
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Post by notsorecentconvert on Jan 14, 2016 18:48:51 GMT
Could it be a case that for the owners cheap relegation is a better option than expensive relegation?
That doesn't necessarily mean we're throwing in the towel but presumably it's sunk in that throwing money at the problem now is perhaps too late and comes with no guarantee of a good outcome anyway?
Don't get me wrong, I hope Wheeler turns it round. I know nothing about Adam Lee but I'd be interested to know what the role of director of football will entail. Recruitment? A sounding board for an inexperienced manager? At the end of the day, the guy who takes the training sessions, decides the tactics, picks the team and delivers the team talks is the important one. He has to have the clear vision over what he wants to happen on the pitch.
Reading the statement and seeing that Lee is going to "oversee all football business matters on behalf of the owners and chairman" you have to wonder why he isn't being appointed manager.
I agree with ebsacfc that experience counts for a lot in a situation like this. We need someone who knows how to get a team winning matches. I don't wish to be unkind but Wheeler has struck me as a bit of a clipboard coach. He's got the badges, he's read the books and attended the seminars but can he manage in a crisis, because that's what this is? I guess we're about to find out.
There isn't a time for philosophies and debates about style of play. This is now muck and nettles stuff, a time to get back to basics and grind out results whichever way we can.
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Post by PaperSaint on Jan 14, 2016 18:57:35 GMT
Interesting times ahead... club twitter has just announced that Harry will be announcing his first signing in 30 minutes
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Post by notsorecentconvert on Jan 14, 2016 19:02:51 GMT
What a preposterous state of affairs when a non-league football club makes an announcement to announce that an announcement will be made within the hour.
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Post by casper on Jan 14, 2016 19:17:41 GMT
Striker Charlie McDonald signed on loan from Borehamwood for remainder of season.
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Post by Saint on Jan 14, 2016 19:20:51 GMT
What a preposterous state of affairs when a non-league football club makes an announcement to announce that an announcement will be made within the hour. The club has been doing it with most of it's signings on Twitter for a few seasons now, I'd say. Also very normal for non-league clubs, whether it's appropriate, or not!
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Post by notsorecentconvert on Jan 14, 2016 19:21:18 GMT
OUTRAGEOUS! The club announced this news 13 minutes EARLIER than they said they would!
Seriously, let's hope the new man can fire some goals in.
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Post by Saint on Jan 14, 2016 19:21:31 GMT
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Post by Saint on Jan 14, 2016 19:24:05 GMT
Very experienced is McDonald, I guess we'll have to wait and see if he can help us out at this level, though.
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Post by notsorecentconvert on Jan 14, 2016 19:24:19 GMT
Saint, my point isn't that the club uses twitter to announce things. That's fine.
It's just the tedious: "We'll be announcing something shortly" type message, which is completely unnecessary.
No one is interested in knowing some news is coming up. All they are interested in is the news itself.
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Post by fatboy on Jan 14, 2016 19:25:50 GMT
Lets be honest , do the club owners really want to be paying con south wages when all they want the club for is to get land and to build lovely expensive private houses on the back of this club. So by employing potters bar ex manager and coach seems a good cheap option, Its too expensive keeping the club in this league so therefore once back in the southern drop the budget and half the players keep the gate prices up high and tell the council the only way back is to support us, give us the land with the permission to build a ground and and the odd few houses. Once again I do hope Harry does well guessing if he does it will piss off the owners.
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Post by Saint on Jan 14, 2016 19:28:29 GMT
Saint, my point isn't that the club uses twitter to announce things. That's fine. It's just the tedious: "We'll be announcing something shortly" type message, which is completely unnecessary. No one is interested in knowing some news is coming up. All they are interested in is the news itself. I would counter by saying, there's a lot more important stuff for us fans to be worrying about at the moment than just twitter! Think the whole announcing an announcement is all part of the social media age...
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Post by casper on Jan 14, 2016 19:30:01 GMT
Why only appoint Wheeler until the end of the season ? Either the owners have faith in him or they don't. Looks like they are accepting we are heading for relegation to the Southern / Ryman league. Director of Football appointed to find another manager for next season ?
As we have heard nothing for months regarding a possible new ground, does this indicate the owners are thinking of pulling out at the end of the season ?
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Post by fatboy on Jan 14, 2016 19:46:00 GMT
Can some one please tell me wtf has Adam Lee been doing for the last couple of years to put him in line for that job, director of football . The more I think about the more I am annoyed by it all,Please remember we are meant to be a serious football club not one mans toy for his mates to play with. Once again decisions taken by people who just seem to have no idea of non League football.
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Post by notsorecentconvert on Jan 14, 2016 20:00:17 GMT
Fatboy, I would have thought there's a very slim chance of the club getting permission for a new ground while the team is in Conference South and absolutely no chance whatsoever if they're in the Southern League. Perhaps this has dawned on the owners and they are looking to reduce costs.
On the plus side, at least we now know what we have between now and the end of the season. Wheeler is the man. There may be another wave of recruitment but basically the club needs to pull everything together, us supporters need to support (and keep our fingers crossed) and hope we can escape.
Talking of Twitter... it was quite amusing to see that just as the club was making its announcement about the new manager, one of the previous ones was Tweeting his CV!
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Post by cityslicker88 on Jan 14, 2016 21:01:13 GMT
Who'd of thought it eh, I hate to say I told you so regarding Wheeler and Adam Lee.........
Well, anyway moving forward let's hope that the new signing is a start of the owners finally realising and releasing funds to strengthen the squad.
I know that before the start of this season Gray and Golds, being concerned with the promotions and relegations to and from the national league south, knew that their current squad needed improving to be able to compete in this stronger division.
With this in mind, and a long time before a ball was kicked, they asked for an increase in the weekly playing budget whilst the powers that be were discussing ways to decrease it. Eventually a similar budget as the previous season was given, but in reality it was less as I was told that a third party had contributed a five figure sum towards the playing budget during the 14/15 season.
It was then asked if it were possible that a bigger percentage of the yearly playing budget could be given at the start of the campaign in order to attract a couple of players with conference type experience into pre-season (this is what I believe many clubs do and then review the situation after the FA cup) - this avenue was declined.
Also, after the FA cup run (which resulted in £25,000 prize money for the club) a player from our local rival who was admired by the management, approached them as he had become available after a spat with his manager. Once again their request was denied and Wealdstone snapped him up.
The above and more led to Gray and Golds resignation. They knew that they had taken the club as far as they could with the current heirachy at the helm. They felt that a new manager coming into the club (Ian Allinson-esque) could come in and would command more respect from the owners, hence releasing some much needed funds into the playing squad. The duo believed that resigning as early as November would give the new manager enough time to escape the drop zone.
I feel that the owners now have the man at the helm that THEY would like to see succeed. Have they put their wants above the needs of our club? Only time will tell.
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Post by porkypig on Jan 14, 2016 21:48:04 GMT
i think we will be relegated regardless of who is appointed as manager, the teams simply not good enough for this division. although we were supposed to have been inundated with applicants, probably most wanted to much money.
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Post by PaperSaint on Jan 14, 2016 22:49:34 GMT
Wanted too much money or considered the budget/funding to be insufficient. However, I still remain hopeful that we can prevent the R word - squad has some good quality in there and just a couple of signings could make the difference
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Post by cityslicker88 on Jan 14, 2016 22:57:32 GMT
Only hours into the new managers appointment and already rumour has it that the development team has been scrapped!!
This is in stark contrast to Wheelers latest interview in the Herts Ad after the Hadley game. I quote,
"Harry Wheeler is hoping his selection will be the start of more youth team players getting there chance in the 1st team"
I hope this isn't true - it would be an embarrassment for any club, let alone one of our stature, to pull out of a league half way through a season.
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Post by Canary Saint on Jan 15, 2016 1:06:18 GMT
This feels kind of grim. Still, it can't be said that a large proportion of the supporters did not see this coming and now fear even more for the future of the club. A reluctance to spend their own money (which would be acceptable if there had not been talk of league football at one stage) and I'm afraid an apparent lack of knowledge on how to run a club at this level, do not bode well at all.
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Post by citycentresaint on Jan 15, 2016 12:55:11 GMT
Good post City Slicker.
How the owners can charge £15 for the rubbish on show this season is beyond me.
Worrying times ahead sadly.
Losing Jimmy and GG was a great loss for the club.
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Post by saintstrue on Jan 15, 2016 13:26:00 GMT
Let’s say all the true! For the respect of fans and football.
1- Adam Lee was appointed as manager (or “director of football”) early in December but the Club wait to announce him because he was away on holiday form mid December to last week. Best choice for Lawrence since Adam knows Harry and they are good friends.
2- Harry in charge as Lawrence finance his coach courses and he can controls him.
3- Lawrence's only interest is to get land and the permission to build a ground and houses. Everything is about money and this ground/houses business! He has no idea about what a football club needs but the worst thing is that probably he hasn’t any interest on that side.
4- All the interview and words on paper about the young players to get their chance with the 1st team is just appearance in order to get good advertising and image on papers and from the Council! The reality can be sum up very well with what happened last night: Development team withdrawn from league!!!
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Post by PaperSaint on Jan 15, 2016 14:00:48 GMT
I'm not sure I could agree with the view that Lawrence is in this for the land and money. Lawrence is very much about community (he's lived in St Albans all of his life) - legacy/reputation. If it was solely about money, I very much doubt he would involved now.
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Post by bajie on Jan 15, 2016 14:33:05 GMT
Development team withdrawn from league!!! FFS How/why did that happen!
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Post by PaperSaint on Jan 15, 2016 14:46:57 GMT
Development team withdrawn from league!!! FFS How/why did that happen! Is it even true...? I've not seen confirmation and understood Sam Mardle was temporarily in charge and that they were away to The 61 (Luton) FC on Saturday....
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Post by Canary Saint on Jan 15, 2016 15:00:34 GMT
'twould be nice if the club would provide some clarity. To quell any rumours and pour water oil on troubled waters if nothing else.
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Post by bajie on Jan 15, 2016 15:00:41 GMT
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Post by PaperSaint on Jan 15, 2016 16:27:45 GMT
On the plus side, at least we now know what we have between now and the end of the season. Wheeler is the man. There may be another wave of recruitment but basically the club needs to pull everything together, us supporters need to support (and keep our fingers crossed) and hope we can escape. Absolutely - we need to now give it a go with what we've got and hope for the best...
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