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Post by casper on Jan 29, 2016 19:50:50 GMT
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Post by casper on Jan 30, 2016 14:29:16 GMT
Saints Team To Play Truro City, Welch Udoji Martin Locke Bender Bangura Thomas Corcoran Macdonald Theophanous Thalassitis #sacfc
Subs, Green Kyriacou Johnson Gibson Chappell #sacfc
Martin and Locke cannot play together so why persist ?
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Post by PaperSaint on Jan 30, 2016 17:19:21 GMT
FT 0-1
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Post by casper on Jan 30, 2016 18:28:48 GMT
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fatboy
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Post by fatboy on Jan 30, 2016 19:11:48 GMT
What has happened to our support for the club, no singing no chanting. Not sure we managed one song, the crowd was good today considering mostly the support was home based over 600 there. and no excuses about the team need to get the crowd going. The crowd should be singing from the first moment and lifting the players. Dare say a lot will say we need something to sing about but its a two way thing.
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Post by casper on Jan 30, 2016 19:24:55 GMT
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Post by porkypig on Jan 30, 2016 20:03:23 GMT
today was awful, against a robust but uninspiring truro side.
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Post by ebsacfc on Jan 30, 2016 22:58:21 GMT
What has happened to our support for the club, no singing no chanting. Not sure we managed one song, the crowd was good today considering mostly the support was home based over 600 there. and no excuses about the team need to get the crowd going. The crowd should be singing from the first moment and lifting the players. Dare say a lot will say we need something to sing about but its a two way thing. You're right it is a two way street. The players have been unappreciative of the supporters this season so therefore have given us nothing to get excited about. All the terrible away performances that me and many others have had to witness this season and hardly any of the players have come over to thank the fans for their support at the end of games. The players playing today should appreciate the fact that they played in front of a decent crowd despite their utterly disgraceful league position. Until they put in the required effort which is needed for us to stay in this division I don't see how the players can expect the respect of the fans when they never show any in return.
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Post by bob666 on Jan 31, 2016 4:19:33 GMT
The crowd for today was inflated by number of parents in as part of schools outreach program, or whatever it is called. Not against this but it is a bit of a push to call the parents attending (and paying very little) under this initiative supporters. This is certainly not a criticism of either the initiative or those who use it.
Personally, I thought it was a terrible game. Given Truro's league position I can only assume they had an off day as I thought they were very limited. Given the failure of other teams around us to win today was, in retrospect, the perfect opportunity to put ourselves back in the mix. We offered so little going forward- Theophanous looked every bit as laboured and moody as Frendo as his worst. It feels like everyone knows the game is up and we relegated (the players, fans etc). It is not so much the fact we going down as the way in which we going down that depresses me. There is a just a general malaise about the place and CP is just not an enjoyable place to be at the moment. I have no inside information but the abolition of the developmental team, Steve Eames resigning, the mess we made of (not) appointing a manager it all creates a general sense of defeat and hopelessness.
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Post by PaperSaint on Jan 31, 2016 5:11:27 GMT
What has happened to our support for the club, no singing no chanting. Not sure we managed one song, the crowd was good today considering mostly the support was home based over 600 there. and no excuses about the team need to get the crowd going. The crowd should be singing from the first moment and lifting the players. Dare say a lot will say we need something to sing about but its a two way thing. You're right it is a two way street. The players have been unappreciative of the supporters this season so therefore have given us nothing to get excited about. All the terrible away performances that me and many others have had to witness this season and hardly any of the players have come over to thank the fans for their support at the end of games. The players playing today should appreciate the fact that they played in front of a decent crowd despite their utterly disgraceful league position. Until they put in the required effort which is needed for us to stay in this division I don't see how the players can expect the respect of the fans when they never show any in return. I do think that is a bit harsh as Harry and players like Corcoran have been appreciative of away support and certainly did take the time to come over to us in the Oxford City bar and tell us the second half performance was not acceptable. We have to be careful - there is obviously a new team of existing and new players being quickly built here in an attempt to win this relegation battle. But if supporters start to turn on players then we are doomed. Truro are not a team that generally plays attractive football. Watch highlights of other games /read reports and they pack the defence, stop teams playing but then have players ready to punish mistakes - as they did to us yesterday.
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Post by ebsacfc on Jan 31, 2016 8:40:32 GMT
My point was that the players don't often come and applaud the away support after the games. On the odd occasion a few players have but rarely. Automatically this makes the supporters feel unappreciated.
Isn't paying our extortionate admission prices and travelling up and down the country to follow the team evidence of us getting behind the team Fatboy?
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Post by notsorecentconvert on Jan 31, 2016 9:07:47 GMT
That's seven without a win now. If a corner is being turned, it's being done with all the speed and dexterity of an articulated lorry in a cul-de-sac.
Wheeler says we need to win 8 of our remaining 16. That would give us at least another 24 points and a total of at least 46, which would surely be enough to survive.
The problem is, we've managed just 14 points from the last 16 [Corrected] games. That gives an accurate impression of the turn-around that's needed.
Beating Truro would have been a start.
Clearly yet another new team is being built to try to escape the drop but they need to click together immediately.
It's a shame if Comley is going. He's been one of our best performers for the last two to three seasons, even if there are questions over his discipline and decision-making at the time. It seems a long time ago now but back in the summer he was supposedly being moulded into the best libero since Beckenbauer.
It's a surprise, given all the changes this season, that we still haven't found a centre half pairing better than Martin and Locke. I know alternatives are currently unavailable at the moment but the heart of the defence has been a problem area all season.
I'm sure the players want to get out of the current situation because if we go down the highest earners will surely be looking for another club or accepting severely reduced terms in the summer.
Meanwhile, the former gaffer was on Twitter quite late last night with a comment that might be perceived as one about his former employers... "I take no pride knowing they got it completely wrong, but so wish they could have backed us to get it right. Still hurts to this day"
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Post by casper on Jan 31, 2016 9:10:53 GMT
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Post by PaperSaint on Jan 31, 2016 13:36:44 GMT
My point was that the players don't often come and applaud the away support after the games. On the odd occasion a few players have but rarely. Automatically this makes the supporters feel Fair point - and easily rectified by Harry I hope
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Post by kroofs on Jan 31, 2016 15:26:28 GMT
Tunnel / light ??
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Post by citycentresaint on Jan 31, 2016 15:33:09 GMT
Should have backed Jimmy and GG.
That is in the past.
Wonder if they will put up the ticket prices next season.
£20 to see us play Dunstable.
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Post by ebsacfc on Jan 31, 2016 16:10:52 GMT
They did back Jimmy in my opinion, the owners trusted a management team with no real experience.
They were probably lucky to last as long as they did given the embarrassing nature of our performances at the start of the season. Just a shame it hasn't worked out so far under Harry!
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Post by Saint on Jan 31, 2016 16:15:27 GMT
They did back Jimmy in my opinion, the owners trusted a management team with no real experience. They were probably lucky to last as long as they did given the embarrassing nature of our performances at the start of the season. Just a shame it hasn't worked out so far under Harry! 100% agree with this, the owners backed Jimmy and GG as far as possible, but it came to a point where they couldn't do so any longer. I think almost every fan of the club agreed it was time for them to move on when they did, which of course doesn't take anything away from what they did for the club during their spell here, but their time was up. However, the real issue I think is the failure to get in an experienced manager, not whether Jimmy and GG should have departed or not.
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Post by Canary Saint on Jan 31, 2016 20:00:40 GMT
Does anybody know why the management duo did not repeat their relative success of last season. Was it simply that Jimmy and GG ran out of ideas or were there outside factors that came into play?
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Post by stalbanandy on Jan 31, 2016 21:11:21 GMT
V disappointed with the loss of James Comley. IMO he should have been playing in his best position of Centre back all season. He would have given us structure to our play from the back rather than the error ridden malaise we have seen all season. He was best player on the pitch at Grimsby. It would also have given Sammy license to run the midfield and he should have had James Kaloczi playing with him (he is now captain at Dunstable!!) Truro weren't a top 6 side and didn't impress but that just shows how much of a struggle it is for us to get points. IMO the downslide started when Frendo went AWOL to Spain. Apparently there was a lot of positivity at the fans forum last week especially from Lawrence so hopefully we can regroup with his support next season wherever we are playing.
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Post by cityslicker88 on Jan 31, 2016 22:29:34 GMT
Canary Saint- Its clear that the league got stronger this season, a fact which the duo had made perfectly clear to the owners and all of their ideas to combat this situation were turned down by them
Notsorecentconvert- I think if you tot it up, our record over the last 8 games is 6 points
ebsacfc- I'm not so sure It was the owners backing a management team that had no real experience. I feel they were appointed off the back of their form whilst caretaker managers with the same squad of players the Howells had. I'm not 100% sure but I think they won 4 out of 5 and I particularly remember one of these being Leamington who we beat 3 nil at the Park, ending their 20 odd game unbeaten run.
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Post by Canary Saint on Jan 31, 2016 23:35:19 GMT
Cityslicker
Did the league really get that much stronger all the way from the top to the bottom? Are you saying that the owners restricted the budget so much that even Alex Ferguson would have struggled?
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Post by Saint on Feb 1, 2016 1:14:55 GMT
Cityslicker Did the league really get that much stronger all the way from the top to the bottom? Are you saying that the owners restricted the budget so much that even Alex Ferguson would have struggled? I would definitely agree with Cityslicker that the league as a whole has been stronger this season, look at sides like Maidstone, Margate and Oxford (All very well funded) coming up and replacing sides like Farnborough, who were generally always guaranteed to be in and around the bottom sides. While the likes of Ebbsfleet, Sutton, Gosport have all strengthened and put in plenty of money, the sort of funding we simply do not have. I dont think that the owners took plenty out of the budget this season, what with the majority of the squad being here at the start of the season, and in fact boost the budget etc allowing the managers to pay fees for Theo and Thomas, something that not many Saints managers have had the chance to do. I personally believe that Gray and Golds, both of whom are brilliant individuals, who I had the chance to speak to on many occasions, just struggled to adapt the side to a much tougher division, with their lack of managerial experience being exposed (Thus why an experienced manager should have been appointed) and possibly did not spend the budget on areas which maybe they should have. However, that's just my own personal opinion.
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 1, 2016 10:07:40 GMT
As Saint has said with the additions of Margate, Ox city and Maidstone making the division stronger, with this in mind every chairman/owner of the clubs at the lower end of the budget scale either increased the budget or increased the percentage budget for the start of the season to add strength to their respective squads, this having a knock on effect of also adding to the strength of the league. It's what you do when you know the football game. Unfortunately our Naive people at the helm did not take this advise and stood still and rather the budget was actually lowered, as management, players, coaches and physio N.I contributions that was previously being paid by the club was now also coming out of the budget. I believe you are right Saint when you mention a lack of experience, but the lack of experience has been on the part of the owners, as this situation we are in now was highlighted 9 months ago and then again with a plea after the fa cup run, where the team had accumulated a 25k bonus that is never budgeted for.
You could say that JG and GG were victims of their own success by getting us promoted in their first full season and the mid table position last term in this league, I believe their ambitions as managers to push the club onwards out weighed the ambitions of the powers that be.
We all know that when the previous managers quit in November that we should of gone for an experienced manager, but experienced managers do not come cheap and he would of wanted an increase in budget to bring in the much needed quality to vital areas that the squad requires. (Maybe spending some of the FA cup money) Look at the route that we went down instead, we went for inexperience and for the untried, who the club couldn't even claim got the job on the turn around in results, the appointment coming after a 5-0 defeat and only 3pts from 15. Had we been sitting mid table at worst and they made this appointment then it would of been more understanable. All this speaks volumes about what is going on behind the scenes.
The truth of the matter is that whilst the owners wait for a decision from the council on the new ground, (where potentially they will make considerable amounts of money) they will continue to buy the waiting time as cheaply as possible. This is not how you survive in what is not classed in this country as non league footbal anymore, but as National league football.
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Post by Canary Saint on Feb 1, 2016 10:35:10 GMT
Cityslicker
Thank you for your take on what goes on behind the scenes. If true, it's all pretty much as I feared.
I suppose that some would argue that if wasn't for the current owners there would be no football club at all.
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Post by scottishsaint on Feb 1, 2016 10:56:57 GMT
I suppose that some would argue that if wasn't for the current owners there would be no football club at all. some might argue that if it wasn't for the current owners we'd have a different owner or owners
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 1, 2016 11:04:56 GMT
No problem Canary Saint.
You could argue that about the current owners, but you could also argue that with both being successful in their line of business, that within the 5 year time scale of them being at the helm, and the circles of business people they must associate with, or associated with in the past, neither owner has been able to bring in one other business person to the club to lighten the load and potentially help increase the budget of the football team, after all we are a football club aren't we? Or are we a tool for another agenda? Or, is it they do not want to share a slice of the cake they can envisage on the horizon?
Has there been a better case for Horses for courses? since one man sold a business and has been more hands on at the club, the chairman has seemed to have gone into hiding, the managers resigned, followed by the secretary, followed by the development manager, the development team has been scrapped, our best player has played his last game for us, and to make matters worse we are rooted to the bottom of the league.
So there seems to be a little unrest around the club, so let's hold another fans forum where the wool can be pulled over the eyes once again.
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 1, 2016 12:44:27 GMT
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Post by minty on Feb 1, 2016 12:49:31 GMT
I didn't attend the fan's forum but from what I have seen in notes and comments from others the chairman didn't have any input at the forum? If true, why was this?
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Post by Canary Saint on Feb 1, 2016 13:10:42 GMT
I suppose that some would argue that if wasn't for the current owners there would be no football club at all. some might argue that if it wasn't for the current owners we'd have a different owner or owners I was just trying to see both sides of the argument.
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