porkypig
Saints Youth Team Player
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Post by porkypig on Feb 1, 2016 19:34:45 GMT
first and foremost we need to appoint a proper manager with some experience before the end of the season, the present situation is ridiculous.
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gdog
Saints Trialist
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Post by gdog on Feb 1, 2016 20:23:10 GMT
We should have front loaded the budget then looked at Xmas or after fa cup then made adjustment if needed , a lot clubs do this get near the 30 points then make the adjustments
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 1, 2016 20:38:54 GMT
That is what was done - but with a small budget and I assume in last couple of weeks more put in the budget pot
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Post by citycentresaint on Feb 1, 2016 23:57:36 GMT
I agree with Porkypig, not often I have said that.
Wheeler is a nice guy, but he is not the experienced manager we need.
He is the cheap option.
The club is being run as a zombie club.
Put in as little money as possible and wait until the council make a decision on a new stadium.
Sad state of affairs.
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 2, 2016 9:56:30 GMT
Appysaint -What you say was done, i have to beg to differ!!
No increase was given at the initial meeting, but the management were informed at this meeting that the N.I would also be coming from the budget for this season, which decreased the budget, in the following weeks it was increased a little on pleas from the management and hence it remained around the same figure as the previous season, it was also stated that the budget would be revisited after the FA cup, not with an increase in mind but to decrease it again.
Hence there was no top loading of the budget at the start of this season as was requested.
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oldgeezer
Saints Youth Team Player
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Post by oldgeezer on Feb 2, 2016 10:24:50 GMT
I may have missed something but
"wait until the council make a decision on a new stadium"
What decision on what agenda by what department of which council? (SADC? Herts?)
I doubt if a stadium is on any agenda or planning application or strategic plan of any of them.
but I may have missed something?
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Post by EFMTFTV on Feb 2, 2016 10:59:04 GMT
Its not appeared on the strategic plan
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Post by saintsdad on Feb 2, 2016 11:04:11 GMT
'Further question re Adam Lee, LL said he will deal with negotiations re players as club officials are busy preparing a case to go the council by 19th February regarding a new ground and the local strategic plan.'
From the trust write-up of the Fans' Forum
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 11:13:04 GMT
Appysaint -What you say was done, i have to beg to differ!! No increase was given at the initial meeting, but the management were informed at this meeting that the N.I would also be coming from the budget for this season, which decreased the budget, in the following weeks it was increased a little on pleas from the management and hence it remained around the same figure as the previous season, it was also stated that the budget would be revisited after the FA cup, not with an increase in mind but to decrease it again. Hence there was no top loading of the budget at the start of this season as was requested. I did say small budget. What I mean't was more was spent up front rather than being spread evenly across season. Of course, again a very common approach
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Post by EFMTFTV on Feb 2, 2016 11:14:03 GMT
How many plans do they do a year? or is this for next year
Apparently we are on the corporate plan, whatever that is
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 11:18:54 GMT
How many plans do they do a year? or is this for next year Apparently we are on the corporate plan, whatever that is That's correct. The Local Strategic Plan (LSP) has just been issued as a draft plan and that is where the club has not been included - but it is a draft and out for consultation so that anyone can submit reasons for their development plans to be included. stalbans-consult.limehouse.co.uk/portal/planning_policy/strategic_local_plan_2016/slp2016
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 2, 2016 12:00:45 GMT
Appysaint -What you say was done, i have to beg to differ!! No increase was given at the initial meeting, but the management were informed at this meeting that the N.I would also be coming from the budget for this season, which decreased the budget, in the following weeks it was increased a little on pleas from the management and hence it remained around the same figure as the previous season, it was also stated that the budget would be revisited after the FA cup, not with an increase in mind but to decrease it again. Hence there was no top loading of the budget at the start of this season as was requested. I did say small budget. What I mean't was more was spent up front rather than being spread evenly across season. Of course, again a very common approach Not sure I follow. How could more have been spent up front to start the 15/16 season if the budget given was equal to or less than the budget at the end of 14/15 season. Are you saying that the budget was reduced this season from last season but WAS top loaded for the start of this season
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 12:11:23 GMT
If you have say £100k for a season to spend on player salaries, you don't spread that out evenly from August to April. You spend more in the first few months (ie frontload it) and trim it/the squad as you enter the last phase of the season when you are hopefully safe and *may* have been boosted by cup runs
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 2, 2016 12:28:29 GMT
Appysaint, thanks for the reply. But you have not answered my question.
I asked, how could more of been spent up front at the start of the 15/16 season, if this weekly budget as I have said previously was less or equal to the budget that was available at the end of the previous season?
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 13:20:31 GMT
But that's not what I was referring to - I was only referring to the point I had made above about how spending of a budget is front loaded. I am not referring to the size of the budget.
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 2, 2016 13:31:49 GMT
I know what you were referring to and it was incorrect. The budget was not front loaded as was asked 9 months ago, the budget at the start of this campaign remained more or less the same as it was at the end of the previous season.
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 13:46:13 GMT
The message has always been that the budget at the start of this season was not being increased above what it was set last season. But at the same time, it was always suggested at the start of the season that we had a squad strong enough to compete - indeed we had a target set for obtaining a very good number of points as the season got underway. Unfortunately, things didn't go to plan. It's always very easy to suggest other people should spend more of their money - when there are such limited means of generating income at CP. That's why myself - and others - chose to dip into their own pockets and help out and continue to do so. We might not have the management team / squad that we might have liked but it is the club I support and, although I don't agree with all club decisions, I will continue to put my support behind the club whilst also sharing my concerns as and when I feel that is necessary.
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Post by scottishsaint on Feb 2, 2016 13:54:24 GMT
It's always very easy to suggest other people should spend more of their money - when there are such limited means of generating income at CP. That's why myself - and others - chose to dip into their own pockets and help out and continue to do so. Setting the ticket prices at £15 wasn't a very good way of generating income, IMO. Everyone on here has dipped into their pockets at one point or another - not just this season, or last season, but for years before that. Who was it who first wondered why our board consists of basically two people?
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 13:57:59 GMT
It's always very easy to suggest other people should spend more of their money - when there are such limited means of generating income at CP. That's why myself - and others - chose to dip into their own pockets and help out and continue to do so. Setting the ticket prices at £15 wasn't a very good way of generating income, IMO. I dont agree with £15 but do the maths - £15 or £13 (average for this league) - it's not going to make a huge difference especially given the minor impact it actually has on attendances
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Post by scottishsaint on Feb 2, 2016 14:06:22 GMT
Setting the ticket prices at £15 wasn't a very good way of generating income, IMO. I dont agree with £15 but do the maths - £15 or £13 (average for this league) - it's not going to make a huge difference especially given the minor impact it actually has on attendances The impact is probably bigger when you're bottom of the league. Also programmes, raffles (don't get me started), golden goals, drinks, food, shirts, other merchandise. It all adds up. You could argue that one extra punter at £13 is worth two Boost the Budget members paying the minimum donation per month.
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 2, 2016 14:09:54 GMT
I wasn't suggesting that other people spend more money, I was merely explaining that it was put to and denied by the owners to top load the budget at the start of the campaign.Due to the added strength of the league and where players become free agents, coupled with the potential for earnings from FA competitions coming at the front end of a season.It makes perfect sense to people in the football industry.
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Post by notsorecentconvert on Feb 2, 2016 14:14:16 GMT
Anyone know what Jimmy Gray's Tweets are aimed at? The fact he's not explaining suggests he might be referring to St Albans City.
The latest says: "Beware of the wolf wearing sheep's clothing."
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Post by Saint on Feb 2, 2016 14:33:45 GMT
To be fair I think Cityslicker knows Jimmy very well, so he may be able to answer!
(Of course, we have had managers and players join the forum before, so maybe Jimmy's paying attention to this thread).
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Post by saintsdad on Feb 2, 2016 14:42:06 GMT
either
harry
or
levy
maybe
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 2, 2016 14:57:08 GMT
Saint, have I given you reason to believe that I know Jimmy very well? if so could you elaborate. also I see that you perceive I am male rather than female.
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Post by Saint on Feb 2, 2016 16:17:06 GMT
Saint, have I given you reason to believe that I know Jimmy very well? if so could you elaborate. also I see that you perceive I am male rather than female. Well your account says you are male, although of course, the email you registered with, suggests otherwise (Which we admins have access to, to prevent malicious users from joining).
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 2, 2016 16:58:05 GMT
I was and am fully aware of all that information before I signed up to this forum Saint, but you have left me even more confused with your reply, and you haven't answered my question!!
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Post by Saint on Feb 2, 2016 17:08:25 GMT
I'm was and am fully aware of all that information now and before I signed up to this forum Saint, but you left me even more confused with your reply, and you answered my question!! I was making reference to the male comment, which is purely down to the details you've put on your account, and answered why I refer to you as a male. I suggested you know Jimmy, one half of our previous management team well, because simply the details you posted about budgets etc. It's not exactly going far to suggest such a thing. Anyway, this isn't the thread for such issues. Feel free to drop me a private message if you have any other concerns over why I referred to you as male.
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 2, 2016 18:17:43 GMT
Saint, I agree this is not the thread for this discussion, and let's just say that in footballing terms "You have been sold a dummy"
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Post by citycentresaint on Feb 2, 2016 18:42:19 GMT
Jimmy's comment mirrors what I have been saying.
The club is being run as a zombie club.
The reserve team has pulled out half way through the season to save money.
As little money as possible is being put into the club.
The owners primary interest is the profit that could be potentially realised if a new stadium is built.
Does anyone think they would be hanging around for long if they knew for sure the club won't be allowed to build a new stadium.
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