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Post by PaperSaint on Apr 7, 2016 20:01:26 GMT
The club has joined clubs like Bromley FC and Welling United in partnering with My Club Betting to provide a betting site that provides revenue back to the club as well as equipment rewards based on the number of supporters who sign up to the service. The club's my club betting site is available to access at: stalbanscityfc.myclubbetting.co.uk/ |
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Post by yellowalf on Apr 7, 2016 20:21:15 GMT
The club has joined clubs like Bromley FC and Welling United in partnering with My Club Betting to provide a betting site that provides revenue back to the club as well as equipment rewards based on the number of supporters who sign up to the service. The club's my club betting site is available to access at: stalbanscityfc.myclubbetting.co.uk/That's all very well but will it give us the player/match statistics from previous seasons that used to be on safc.co.uk? The fans want the stats of players from years gone by, but the marketing department (of whichever organisation you want it to be) want us to spend money on betting. Guess which of the two will be made available to us.  A quick gander at Companies House suggests that Myclubbetting.com Limited (Company number 08468353) are financially weaker than St Albans City FC, with current liabilities of over £1m. Still, any company who can boast a shareholder called The Brass Teapot Limited can't be all bad, can it? Anybody know Cherylyn Dawn Scott,by any chance? Just asking... |
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Post by casper on Apr 7, 2016 20:45:03 GMT
That's all very well but will it give us the player/match statistics from previous seasons that used to be on safc.co.uk? The fans want the stats of players from years gone by, but the marketing department (of whichever organisation you want it to be) want us to spend money on betting. Guess which of the two will be made available to us. Bet the 'marketing department' refer to us as 'customers' rather than fans now. The player/match statistics from previous seasons is/was an invaluable resource for fans and should be reinstated asap. At least the new website looks nice .....   |
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Post by Saint on Apr 7, 2016 20:48:18 GMT
The records of player statistics were (I believe?) maintained by Webbo, and were certainly available earlier this season on an external site. No idea why that's been taken down, or if Webbo has the potential to pass the information and statistics over to those helping to run the stalbanscityfc.com site?
Would be nice to have this information back available, whatever the reason for it's disappearance.
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Post by PaperSaint on Apr 7, 2016 20:52:13 GMT
This betting site has been set up with the assistance of club volunteers (supporters not a marketing department) - the club simply approved the idea. As far as I'm aware, sacfc.co.uk being taken offline is not anything to do with this but the owners of that data's decision (it was a separately hosted site).
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Post by casper on Apr 7, 2016 21:03:34 GMT
As far as I'm aware, sacfc.co.uk being taken offline is not anything to do with this but the owners of that data's decision (it was a separately hosted site). The above statement doesn't make sense. The www.sacfc.co.uk was the club website before it changed to www.stalbanscityfc.com, so are you saying the old site and all it's data was not owned by the club ? Is the new 'website' not owned by the club either ? |
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Post by PaperSaint on Apr 7, 2016 21:11:03 GMT
The new site is absolutely owned by the club. sacfc.co.uk was the old address for the club website and then as far as I am aware the player stats were to be used for Saints history project but that was a private project rather than a club project. See twitter.com/saintshistory |
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Post by yellowalf on Apr 8, 2016 7:32:35 GMT
This betting site has been set up with the assistance of club volunteers (supporters not a marketing department) - the club simply approved the idea. My reference to a marketing department was not specifically aimed at St Albans City FC. The marketing departments of the FA, the FL, the National League, UEFA, FIFA, Sky TV, BT, etc., etc. all make money from persuading us fans to bet with their "preferred commercial partners". While on a much smaller scale, this is no different. We are being encouraged to bet on a "preferred commercial partner" who appears to have made a loss of over £2.5m for the financial year up to 30 April 2015 according to their most recent accounts; accounts that were filed over three months late. Did the club choose myclubbetting.com as the most suitable partner for this venture after looking through a long list of other options, or was it myclubbetting.com who approached the club with this proposal? As always with this sort of venture my question to the football club is this: what percentage of our spending is given to the club? If I spend £20 onmyclubbetting.com and Saints receives £1 of that, then I might as well use my usual betting site and give Saints £1 for every £20 I spend. The difference? I am the one choosing who makes the £19 profit on my betting losses. |
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Post by PaperSaint on Apr 8, 2016 8:10:42 GMT
We found them rather than they found the club (mainly through looking at their Welling and Bromley link ups). The club gets 20% of profits generated from the club site plus equipment based on sign ups- it's all well documented at my myclubbetting.co.uk
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Post by saintsdad on Apr 8, 2016 8:50:12 GMT
The new site is absolutely owned by the club. sacfc.co.uk was the old address for the club website and then as far as I am aware the player stats were to be used for Saints history project but that was a private project rather than a club project. See twitter.com/saintshistorySo the old site wasn't owned by the club? |
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Post by ex-saintswebbo on Apr 9, 2016 18:29:35 GMT
Appysaint knows best.
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Post by ex-saintswebbo on Apr 9, 2016 18:34:55 GMT
This betting site has been set up with the assistance of club volunteers (supporters not a marketing department) - the club simply approved the idea. As far as I'm aware, sacfc.co.uk being taken offline is not anything to do with this but the owners of that data's decision (it was a separately hosted site). it was never on an external site - just the original sacfc.co.uk site that someone decided to move to stalbanscityfc.com not rocket science! |
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Post by EFMTFTV on Apr 10, 2016 13:50:37 GMT
The stats site is still live isn't it?
As for betting, anyone who decided to lay money on the 4 horses in blue and yellow yesterday (each way) would be quids in as the 100/1 and 12/1 shots all finished in the top 4
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Post by saintsdad on Apr 12, 2016 9:35:12 GMT
We found them rather than they found the club (mainly through looking at their Welling and Bromley link ups). The club gets 20% of profits generated from the club site plus equipment based on sign ups- it's all well documented at my myclubbetting.co.uk Which other clubs like Welling and Bromley? |
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Post by PaperSaint on Apr 13, 2016 20:13:55 GMT
Gosport Borough now have a similar arrangement and Dunstable Town launched their version this evening.
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Post by scottishsaint on Apr 14, 2016 10:30:36 GMT
Could be seen as a bit disingenuous again, 'clubs like Bromley and Welling' oh and Gosport (not Dunstable at the time)
The various different ways of trying to make the club money seem a bit strange to me for one reason or another
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Post by 2penniesworth on Apr 14, 2016 11:05:13 GMT
Forgive me, and I have no idea who you are or what relationship you have to the Club- the "saint" in your username suggests to me that you are a fan- perhaps a distant one.
Surely, betting is a choice as is supporting City... and anything which provides much needed funds into the Club is a benefit and a boost to a team that need it. We all know sadly that any cash input may or may not change the world but if you're happy to have a flutter via a site which will give a % to the Club should you lose... then its your choice and a good thing. If supporters want to give money to the Club in anyway- we should be proud that they're willing too invest their hard earned cash and believe in the Club enough to do. Doesn't matter how they do it- snowball, golden goal, boost the budget, turning up in all weathers no matter what. People want to help, and its their choice too. No one is forced to give time or money.
Maybe you've got some positive ideas in how to make some money for the Club which you'd like to share??
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Post by EFMTFTV on Apr 14, 2016 13:11:22 GMT
We have a massive house music night up the clubhouse on a fairly regular basis now that makes a decent amount over the bar, they'll always be somebody that won't like house music as well, likewise betting
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Post by yellowalf on Apr 14, 2016 20:38:39 GMT
We found them rather than they found the club (mainly through looking at their Welling and Bromley link ups). The club gets 20% of profits generated from the club site plus equipment based on sign ups- it's all well documented at my myclubbetting.co.uk Well, we're not going to get any equipment, are we? To quote the website: *FREE kit & equipment is aimed at the grass root community clubs. Professional club registration offers are arranged on a club by club basis. We are happy to discuss this with you.As for 20% of the bookies profits, this is a company that made a massive loss last trading year so I remain cynical about how much money will actually get paid to the club. Looking forward to being proved wrong... |
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Post by PaperSaint on Apr 14, 2016 21:02:49 GMT
The money gets paid every month to the club - as it does to the several hundred other clubs that are signed up ranging from rugby league clubs like Hull Kingston Rovers to grass roots clubs. The equipment deal does also apply to St Albans City FC.
The risk to the club is minimal as there is no outlay.
Many new start up companies do take years to turn a profit - I've worked with a few over the years and 5-10 years to turn a profit is not uncommon. But again it's a minimal risk partnership for the club and actually the club had minimal involvement - an idea put forward to them not something that they identified as an opportunity.
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Post by ad43footsoldier on Apr 15, 2016 22:29:03 GMT
Jesus, it's just an app! It's not saying if you don't sign up, well you'd better otherwise you're not loyal to the club. It's just for people who are over 18 and like a bet do it with this app instead and we might make a quid or two.
What's the issue?
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Post by asaintreborn on Apr 15, 2016 23:20:30 GMT
I think there are people on here that need to look up the definition of a community..
"A unification of individuals from different backgrounds, that come together to support a common goal". The Common goal being making St.Albans a Community club for ALL.
Two key things stick out there ALL and INDIVIDUALS. There are some people in this world that enjoy making a bet before a weekend of sport. There is nothing illegal about betting apps. This app Is a platform to give people who like betting in the St.Albans community a chance to make money for their club, rather than give it all to betfair.
There is no shame in that and it's absolutley laughable that people think it will affect the city brand. It's a choice ladies and gentlemen
If you don't believe in betting that's your right, but using this forum to push your own agenda onto others is a shame.
If everyone was the same in this world it would be boring. I think it's fantastic that there will be people in the St.albans community, that will be able to support their local club while placing there weekly bet. That's coming from a person who doesn't really bet, unless there is a big a event and I'm just having a little but of fun with friends.
If we are going to be a community club with individuals coming from different backgrounds, then we need to keep our minds open when it comes to ideas.
We are spending far to much time on this forum with completely off the topic subjects. The boys are fighting for their lives out there on the pitch and that should be our focus.
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Post by saintsdad on Apr 18, 2016 8:40:38 GMT
I wonder if there would be a way of canvassing opinion on here or at games before going ahead with certain ideas and initiatives - might appease some of the unruly serfs
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Post by fatboy on Apr 18, 2016 8:51:50 GMT
Saints dad , maybe we could just let the club run it as it seems since Tom has come on board he seems to have done a more than decent job
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Post by ahad43 on Apr 18, 2016 9:01:45 GMT
Maybe it would be good for the views and opinions of as many supporters as possible to be taken into consideration, rather than those in the inner circle sitting round patting each other on the back
Maybe
Maybe not
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Post by PaperSaint on Apr 18, 2016 9:33:54 GMT
I've been asked to provide an update from the Stand by your Saints perspective.
The group was not set up in any way to be anyone's vanity project but a group committed to representing the voice of supporters and building stronger links between the club and community. As a voluntary group, all committee members regularly give up their free time - whether attending meetings or working to develop the various initiatives we conduct and/or helping out with club activities. All decisions and activities are consulted upon and absolutely no decisions are taken in isolation. Key decisions are also often taken after liaison with the Saints City Trust as well - and strong links have been maintained with the trust.
Also, anyone can assist with the group and many supporters have assisted on various activities throughout the year. We will also have an AGM in July and all existing roles will be open for election.
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Post by casper on Apr 18, 2016 19:23:00 GMT
Maybe it would be good for the views and opinions of as many supporters as possible to be taken into consideration, rather than those in the inner circle sitting round patting each other on the back Maybe Maybe not And I thought I was the only one thinking there was an 'inner circle' of fans ..... I suspect when the club 'consult' the fans, they talk to the 'inner circle'. |
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Post by casper on Apr 18, 2016 19:34:29 GMT
I wonder if there would be a way of canvassing opinion on here or at games before going ahead with certain ideas and initiatives - might appease some of the unruly serfs There is a regular newsletter sent out by the club, to those who subscribe, which would be one good way of communicating with the fans. Promote subscription to the newsletter by both supporters orgranisation. Leaflet(s) handed out at a match or matches ? Survey on the clubs website ? The questions need to be open enough, rather than asking 'restrictive' questions to get the answers they want. |
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Post by casper on Apr 18, 2016 19:49:23 GMT
All decisions and activities are consulted upon and absolutely no decisions are taken in isolation. Who is being consulted ? Apart from the club and the trust, are members of SBYS consulted ? Are there minutes of meetings taken where decisions are made ? Are the minutes available on the SBYS website or any where else viewable by members and/or public ? We will also have an AGM in July and all existing roles will be open for election. Any reason why the AGM is in July, as this is a time of the year when many supporters are away on holiday ? |
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Post by saintsdad on Apr 19, 2016 7:47:12 GMT
Hopefully the AGMs of the Trust and the Other Trust don't clash. Trust and Other Trust. Reminds me of Website and Other Website.
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