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Post by lagerman on Jun 9, 2018 0:02:53 GMT
I'm not sure next season will be tough, the main difference will be the money involved in the clubs that arrive in the division (Billercay, Woking etc) We will have a large majority of the team that finished 8th last season, this team will also have another years experience added to it, also I think our new assistant manager will sort the defence out, I see no reason why we should't be looking to finish around the same ball park next season Agreed. Sounds like scaremongering to me? I'm not trying to scaremonger, only trying to say it as l see it. Probably looking back at what l said, l guess it does look a tad harsh what l said actually but l do not mean to scaremonger. Yes we will have the majority of last Seasons squad back with a Season behind them, and hopefully the new arrivals will gel in, we may well do okay, it's just the Quality of the sides coming into this League next Season and the usual big hitters already here like Dartford & Chelmsford, that concern me. I just think this League might be harder to get out of next Season, therefore a bit harder for us, that's all. But l hope that l am wrong.
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Post by ahad43 on Jun 9, 2018 9:09:13 GMT
I see the blame it on the budget comments have started already
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Post by appysaint on Jun 9, 2018 9:27:43 GMT
It's not blame it on the budget, lagerman is simply saying budget is a factor - just as Ian Allinson has stated in his recent interview. If players in league below are turning us down because we can't afford their pay demands, it is certainly a factor to consider especially if want to strengthen the current squad.
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Post by St Michael on Jun 9, 2018 10:04:00 GMT
The budget of course is a factor in who we can sign but my point is about priorities. Without strong leadership on the pitch and in our case that means quality and experience in central defence and in central midfield we will struggle, no matter who else we have in the squad. Last season we were often bullied in both midfield and defence by less good footballing sides, but as IA often reminds us you have to win the right to play the way you want to play.
Perhaps IA and GA have these players lined up, and ready to join us and we will be hearing soon, but if we really only need 3-4 new signings as IA told the Herts Ad then we have made those already.
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Post by Saint on Jun 9, 2018 10:22:32 GMT
The budget of course is a factor in who we can sign but my point is about priorities. Without strong leadership on the pitch and in our case that means quality and experience in central defence and in central midfield we will struggle, no matter who else we have in the squad. Last season we were often bullied in both midfield and defence by less good footballing sides, but as IA often reminds us you have to win the right to play the way you want to play. Perhaps IA and GA have these players lined up, and ready to join us and we will be hearing soon, but if we really only need 3-4 new signings as IA told the Herts Ad then we have made those already. We signed a strong central midfielder (with plenty of experience at the age of 29) and a defender from Hendon on Wednesday. Obviously picking up players from the division below can be a gamble, but hopefully both can go some way to helping fix the problems you've mentioned as they are both in the area's we need improvement in.
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Post by davymac55 on Jun 9, 2018 21:21:45 GMT
Our lack of success/failure last season had nothing to do with the size of the budget.....it was what was done with it...no good having a goodbudget if you bring in some of the rubbish we did....discuss
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Post by stafans on Jun 9, 2018 21:28:22 GMT
One word. Pinney.
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Post by westwalessaint on Jun 9, 2018 22:02:20 GMT
Never saw him. What was he like?
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Post by appysaint on Jun 9, 2018 22:04:07 GMT
This wasn't a discussion about last season but towards end of that season Chelmsford brought in Scott Fenwick, Dartford Danny Mills, Hemel Sanchez Watt, Hampton Shaun Jeffers, Braintree Dan Thompson. We couldn't afford to strengthen in that way (none of those came cheap) and importantly Rhys lost his shooting boots and even Merson (Hampton and Bath) missed some glorious chances.
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Post by ahad43 on Jun 10, 2018 11:37:10 GMT
Wasn't Sanchez Watt a loan signing?
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Post by stafans on Jun 10, 2018 11:46:47 GMT
Never saw him. What was he like? 1) was about 16stone 2) zero mobility 3)wasn't tall enough to hold up ball 4) scored 1 goal line scramble conselation goal at welling home 5) possibly on of the worst strikers I've seen.
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Post by stafans on Jun 10, 2018 11:47:08 GMT
Never saw him. What was he like? 1) was about 16stone 2) zero mobility 3)wasn't tall enough to hold up ball 4) scored 1 goal line scramble conselation goal at welling home 5) possibly one of the worst strikers I've seen.
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Post by appysaint on Jun 10, 2018 12:34:10 GMT
Wasn't Sanchez Watt a loan signing? Nope
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Post by ahad43 on Jun 10, 2018 19:21:43 GMT
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Post by appysaint on Jun 10, 2018 20:20:27 GMT
My mistake. Some of the others were loans also but not cheap loans. Jeffers, Mills, Watt would all have been £500+ per week as loan deals
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Post by ahad43 on Jun 10, 2018 20:37:38 GMT
My mistake. Some of the others were loans also but not cheap loans. Jeffers, Mills, Watt would all have been £500+ per week as loan deals Where do you get your info about budgets from? Same place you got the Sanchez Watt info? Was Bradbury cheap, or any of our other loans / triallists etc?
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Post by lagerman on Jun 10, 2018 22:33:59 GMT
It's not blame it on the budget, lagerman is simply saying budget is a factor - just as Ian Allinson has stated in his recent interview. If players in league below are turning us down because we can't afford their pay demands, it is certainly a factor to consider especially if want to strengthen the current squad. THANKYOU Appysaint !
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Post by albanian on Jun 10, 2018 23:05:56 GMT
Of course budgets matter. Ian's success rate for buying from the league below has been decent, but you can't expect them all to make the grade. If success was guaranteed then these players wouldn't be cheap. A bigger budget buys you proven talent, whilst we have to speculate. Having said that I don't think there's a whole lot wrong with our recruitment. It's not a lack of individual ability that makes us dodgy at the back. The team don't seem to be well drilled enough at set pieces and there's a lack of protection from midfield.
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Post by appysaint on Jun 11, 2018 0:02:14 GMT
My mistake. Some of the others were loans also but not cheap loans. Jeffers, Mills, Watt would all have been £500+ per week as loan deals Where do you get your info about budgets from? Same place you got the Sanchez Watt info? Was Bradbury cheap, or any of our other loans / triallists etc? Youth loans are very cheap. Loan details are circulated to all top level non-league clubs. Generally steps 1-4.
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Post by ahad43 on Jun 11, 2018 9:48:06 GMT
Mills joined Dartford in December. Thompson was a free agent when he signed for Braintree in Feb, as was Fenwick when he signed for Chelmsford in March. How do you know how cheap or expensive they were? Rumours and hearsay? Only asking I agree with Albanian that budgets are important but it wasn't the budget that caused us to drop so many points against the teams who were eventually relegated. I also think people like to worry about our budget and other teams' budgets a lot more than they should, but whatever gives 'em comfort I suppose
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Post by ahad43 on Jun 11, 2018 10:12:26 GMT
At a similar time to the above signings we signed Antonio German and Jamie Sendles-White. I doubt either of those were cheap! Sol and Merson also signed their new contracts on Feb 1st, with Percy signing his a few weeks later.
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Post by albanian on Jun 11, 2018 10:49:33 GMT
ahad43 - Think we're mostly in agreement. Budget doesn't excuse poor performances or absolve players of individual responsibility. It wasn't coincidental that we struggled against the poorer sides last season. We struggled to break down teams that sat deep against us and always looked like conceding on the break or from set pieces. Responsibility for this sits with Ian and it's something he needs to work on for next season. For me, the budget issue is about having realistic expectations. There's a reason some players cost more than others. We should be aiming to make the play offs next season, but IA will have to do incredibly well to achieve that.
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Post by davymac55 on Jun 11, 2018 16:58:55 GMT
Thank goodness it was the budget that was responsible for our end of season debacle including defeats to two relegated teams... really? Oh dear oh dear. ( shakes his head in disbelief)
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Post by saint2015 on Jun 11, 2018 17:08:13 GMT
Unless loss of bottle is down to budgets? Some harsh comments on Pinney. I thought he'd a deft touch and some skill but, yes, he was considerably overweight. Too much so for a paid footballer!
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Post by davymac55 on Jun 11, 2018 17:55:56 GMT
For me bringing in Pinney highlighted everything wrong with our use of the budget regardless of how big it was, although pinney was clearly bigger than it anyway... not often i look at a professional playing footballer and feel slim... Question: who is going to hold up their hands and accept responsibility for our atrocious season end and the bringing in of players such as Pinney cos Id have no faith in them managing any budget... surely no one saw Pinney less saw him play immediately prior to his coming to CP
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Post by albanian on Jun 11, 2018 18:39:26 GMT
Presumably the same person who'll take responsibility for the signings of sambou, snedker and Percy. Pinney was undoubtedly a terrible signing, but even fergie signed a few turkeys over the years
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Post by stafans on Jun 11, 2018 18:48:13 GMT
At this level we will have to fish and every now and then find a bit of quality. I.e deano Sam sol Zane rmw morias. But we also have to take the pinneys eshuns and Germans.
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Post by saint2015 on Jun 11, 2018 19:18:10 GMT
At least Pinney tried and was an occasional goal threat. I saw less from German. Pinney also came with a positive press from his previous club's fans (Eastbourne?).... I'm sure IA expected more from him. Bradbury better than both.... and none anywhere near Merson.
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Post by Hatboy on Jun 13, 2018 0:20:59 GMT
Our terrible finish to last season had nothing to do with what other clubs brought in for their final push for promotion or play off places.
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Post by westwalessaint on Jun 13, 2018 6:28:30 GMT
Our terrible finish to last season had nothing to do with what other clubs brought in for their final push for promotion or play off places. I agree I
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