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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 19:14:25 GMT
As said before you might be right with one but Levy is not driven by profit on this. I might not agree with some of the decisions he takes but if you talk to him you will see it is about building a club for the future. A new stadium is a long term game - even with permissions etc in place, it's 5-10 years and so thats a lot of money being put in to keep the club running in the interim - as well as the risk of not even getting a stadium.
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Post by Boomer on Feb 2, 2016 19:24:16 GMT
This thread is almost as riveting as Songs of Praise.
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Post by Canary Saint on Feb 2, 2016 20:00:15 GMT
This thread is almost as riveting as Songs of Praise.
At least a bit of debate is going on instead of the usual party line being spouted all the time. The "be positive" or "it's not your money" put downs can get rather repetitive.
How I miss the old forums where the "EFM crew" were normally entertaining though not necessarily about football.
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Post by porkypig on Feb 2, 2016 20:24:16 GMT
big question is will this club still be here in five years time? if so at what level?
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 20:42:35 GMT
That was answered at Fans Forum. If the club was self sufficient at CP then Southern League 1
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Post by porkypig on Feb 2, 2016 20:49:03 GMT
bright future then?
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 21:01:21 GMT
Well that's the future if we don't have either a) someone happy to just chuck money at the club every week or b) a stadium / facilities that generates income outside of match days. There are certainly no other clubs without those at this level and some have both
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Post by notsorecentconvert on Feb 2, 2016 21:14:47 GMT
Ah, Boomer has popped in to do the equivalent of throwing a damp tea towel over a chip pan fire.
Please stick to the permitted range of opinions everyone.
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Post by Saint on Feb 2, 2016 21:24:19 GMT
Just to make it clear, all views are welcome, as long as they don't breach any forums rules, which as far as I'm aware, none have done so at all.
Now whether you agree with said views, is another matter of course.
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 2, 2016 21:30:19 GMT
I'm pretty sure we could sustain playing in the Southern league premier without any third party income, we have a bigger fan base than Dunstable, Hitchin, Chesham and Biggleswade who currently ply their trade in the southern premier division. I do not believe for one moment that we financially would only be able to compete with Barton, Ware, Kings Langley, Leighton town, or possibly London Colney.
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 22:12:06 GMT
I'm pretty sure we could sustain playing in the Southern league premier without any third party income, we have a bigger fan base than Dunstable, Hitchin, Chesham and Biggleswade who currently ply their trade in the southern premier division. I do not believe for one moment that we financially would only be able to compete with Barton, Ware, Kings Langley, Leighton town, or possibly London Colney. I think Dunstable have a bit more money and modern facilities than a St Albans City with no third party income and a crumbling, costly ground to maintain. We would probably do very well in Division 1 and spend some occasional years in the Premier but more money, better facilities are appearing more and more frequently in both Southern Premier and Ryman Premier. Remember we got out of the Southern Premier only through third party income.
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Post by gdog on Feb 2, 2016 22:25:01 GMT
We need to generate more income at the minute at CP , improve bar facilities, maybe open up a tea hut , selling, hot pies , pasties and make best of what we've got presently
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 2, 2016 22:29:22 GMT
We did get promoted on third party money, the FA cup was good to us that year!!
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Post by gdog on Feb 2, 2016 22:36:13 GMT
Think we as fans need to try our best to generate as much income we can , as owners come and go
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 22:37:31 GMT
We need to generate more income at the minute at CP , improve bar facilities, maybe open up a tea hut , selling, hot pies , pasties and make best of what we've got presently This is what we've started to do with improving club shop, holding events in clubhouse etc but it only goes so far, it doesn't buy success in National League South without additional investment
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 22:38:28 GMT
We did get promoted on third party money, the FA cup was good to us that year!! So the owners made no contribution that year and there was no budget overspend...?
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Post by gdog on Feb 2, 2016 22:42:21 GMT
Agree , success breads success , we also need more volunteers, think a tuck shop , selling tea coffee , hot pies and pasties, sausage rolls would help , you get 4 sausage rolls like 1.50 , I've looked into pie warmer 300 pound
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 22:57:44 GMT
We certainly need more volunteers and more choice of food would make the place a lot more welcoming
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 2, 2016 23:08:53 GMT
We did get promoted on third party money, the FA cup was good to us that year!! So the owners made no contribution that year and there was no budget overspend...? Possibly there was an overspend Appysaint, but did you hear the one about a squad promotion bonus that was offered before the start of that promotion season, then reneged upon......?
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Post by citycentresaint on Feb 2, 2016 23:55:59 GMT
To generate a 7 day income, we need to turn Clarence Park into a 3G pitch.
I know we have a good pitch, but with a 3G pitch it would be a resource for the community.
We have a good sized fan base, which makes it even more soul destroying we will be playing pub / village teams next season.
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 23:56:30 GMT
Given how much you know cityslicker88, would it have not been in everyone's interests for you to attend the last few fans forums and challenge the owners and chairman on these matters?
I do also have a concern that - from your comments - you seem to be satisfied with the club finding it's place in the Southern / Ryman Premier. I'd certainly like us to aiming higher than that.
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 2, 2016 23:57:44 GMT
To generate a 7 day income, we need to turn Clarence Park into a 3G pitch. I know we have a good pitch, but with a 3G pitch it would be a resource for the community. We have a good sized fan base, which makes it even more soul destroying we will be playing pub / village teams next season. Lawrence Levy said at the Fans Forum he has already applied for a 3G pitch
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Post by scottishsaint on Feb 3, 2016 8:49:01 GMT
That was answered at Fans Forum. If the club was self sufficient at CP then Southern League 1 How many clubs in this league, or the Conference, or the Southern Prem, are self sufficient?
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Post by scottishsaint on Feb 3, 2016 8:52:03 GMT
Well that's the future if we don't have either a) someone happy to just chuck money at the club every week or b) a stadium / facilities that generates income outside of match days. There are certainly no other clubs without those at this level and some have both That's the future? It wasn't the past. Maybe replacing someone with some people (i.e. a proper board) would be better. Running a non-league football club isn't cheap, otherwise everyone would be doing it.
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Post by scottishsaint on Feb 3, 2016 8:53:19 GMT
I'm pretty sure we could sustain playing in the Southern league premier without any third party income, we have a bigger fan base than Dunstable, Hitchin, Chesham and Biggleswade who currently ply their trade in the southern premier division. I do not believe for one moment that we financially would only be able to compete with Barton, Ware, Kings Langley, Leighton town, or possibly London Colney. I think Dunstable have a bit more money and modern facilities than a St Albans City with no third party income and a crumbling, costly ground to maintain. We would probably do very well in Division 1 and spend some occasional years in the Premier but more money, better facilities are appearing more and more frequently in both Southern Premier and Ryman Premier. Remember we got out of the Southern Premier only through third party income. Crumbling costly ground to maintain? I thought we paid a peppercorn rent to the council? Remember we got into the Southern Premier through a chairman fixated by a new ground. Wonder what Eamsie makes of all this!
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 3, 2016 8:57:44 GMT
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Post by PaperSaint on Feb 3, 2016 9:00:20 GMT
I think Dunstable have a bit more money and modern facilities than a St Albans City with no third party income and a crumbling, costly ground to maintain. We would probably do very well in Division 1 and spend some occasional years in the Premier but more money, better facilities are appearing more and more frequently in both Southern Premier and Ryman Premier. Remember we got out of the Southern Premier only through third party income. Crumbling costly ground to maintain? I thought we paid a peppercorn rent to the council? Remember we got into the Southern Premier through a chairman fixated by a new ground. Wonder what Eamsie makes of all this! I think Eamsie knew only too well how much it cost to stop CP falling apart each season
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Post by cityslicker88 on Feb 3, 2016 9:04:54 GMT
Given how much you know cityslicker88, would it have not been in everyone's interests for you to attend the last few fans forums and challenge the owners and chairman on these matters? I do also have a concern that - from your comments - you seem to be satisfied with the club finding it's place in the Southern / Ryman Premier. I'd certainly like us to aiming higher than that. Thank you for recognising that I have been well informed Appysaint FYI i have attended all of the fans forums apart from the Last one as I was on a skiing vacation. The information I have gathered I have not always been Party too, more so within recent months. You couldnt be more wrong, I would love to see the club have real ambition and push forward, be it at Clarence park for now or a new ground in the future. Unfortunately the owners have not brought in other investment or investors to the club so you may have to set your crosshairs a little lower Appysaint, although I'm sure the owners will be satisfied enough with southern league football.
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Post by scottishsaint on Feb 3, 2016 9:22:16 GMT
Clubs like Maidstone? Ex-football league, charging £12 to get in and averaging 2,200 for every home game, as well as having finances boosted by an FA Cup run? Not the best example.
Eamsie knew only too well because he'd been at Clarence Park through the thick and thin over the past 20-odd years, and it hadn't fallen apart once. Perhaps it's a bad omen he left, a bit like the ravens leaving the tower.
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Post by citycentresaint on Feb 3, 2016 12:12:21 GMT
Glad that he has.
My main issue is with the council.
They are clueless and don't do anything to help the club.
Look at Stevenage, they have a supportive council and they are now an established league side.
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