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Post by bob666 on Jul 24, 2020 5:11:56 GMT
From what I can gather the club seem to be working towards a restart date of the 12th of September. However, I think many supporters may feel uncomfortable returning to the ground at this point and I wondered if the club are putting in place any arrangements for these supporters? At work we have started live streaming a lot of events which would previously have had a audience and it does not seem that tricky to do with modern tech. I wonder if the club has considered this as a option- they could put it behind a paywall. Is it least worth exploring demand for this option?
Also I think it would make sense for the club to offer tours of the ground in August to show what measures have been put in place to build confidence. One thing that bothers me is effective compartmentalisation. I not a expert but I assume its important to know exactly the position of individual supporters within the ground so that if someone tests positive its a case of contacting and asking the people in the immediate vicinity to isolate/get tested. In a all seater stadium this would be relatively easy. How would you do this with standing? If we cannot would this effectively mean that one person testing positive could lead to half the ground being caught by in the test, trace isolate system. The only way to build confidence is to be clear on what your doing. The new head of communications said that lots of work is taking place to make the Park safe for football but never actually said what. At work we had consultants in for weeks looking a people flow, pressure points etc, the need to physical adjust spaces with a view to reopening. The last pictures of CP that I saw it looked actually the same as it always has. I not sure the club are being entirely realistic about the scale of the challenges involved with restarting large events.
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Post by greyhound on Jul 24, 2020 7:23:58 GMT
I would be interested to see how many people care about how safe the ground is for coronavirus. Bare in mind I'm younger (20-30), but at work and socially I don't see too many people caring that much.
The largest factor that would stop me returning to Clarence Park would be the price (either on the gate or season ticket) as I have to travel down from Coventry. And with the increased prices I don't feel like it is good value / entertainment compared to doing other things on a weekend. I gave these answers in the National League survey as well when someone posted that on a different thread.
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Post by EFMTFTV on Jul 24, 2020 7:30:37 GMT
I've been led to believe the ground capacities will be reduced and Clarence Park will be circa 800 so won't be an issue as they lost so many supporters last season
The issue will be 'policing' the social distancing
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Post by ahad43 on Jul 24, 2020 8:47:20 GMT
If Levy and co budgeted for an 842 average attendance last season and set the ticket price at £18, presumably it can only go up if we are capped at an average attendance of 800...
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Post by ahad43 on Jul 24, 2020 10:30:56 GMT
Lots of sides have done price reductions / deals etc over the past 8 seasons and had a positive reaction. I'm with you ebsacfc, not getting my hopes up
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Post by lagerman on Jul 24, 2020 20:46:33 GMT
It's going to be interesting to see how the restart of the new season is planned and how it actually goes, if , god forbid, a 2nd wave of this awful, terrible disease breaks out ? The Prem and the EFL can play for a while behind closed doors, but non-league can't. So, will the non-league governing bodies wait a bit longer to see what happens ? There has got to be a certain amount of time for season ticket sales.
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Post by bob666 on Jul 24, 2020 23:52:24 GMT
I would be interested to see how many people care about how safe the ground is for coronavirus. Bare in mind I'm younger (20-30), but at work and socially I don't see too many people caring that much. The largest factor that would stop me returning to Clarence Park would be the price (either on the gate or season ticket) as I have to travel down from Coventry. And with the increased prices I don't feel like it is good value / entertainment compared to doing other things on a weekend. I gave these answers in the National League survey as well when someone posted that on a different thread. I can only speak for myself and its a fair point you make but for me the question of safety will determine whether I attend next season not price. I not medically vulnerable and I pretty confident I survive but don't want to go through the entire experience. The issue of price for me is complex. Over the last few months I probably spent a grand a month less than normal as I have not got on a train, been to a pub/restaurant etc - although my pension pot has probably taken a battering. I accept the club has suffered a financial shock and if we had owners with a strong relationship with the fans and who I was convinced were interested in the long-term development of the club rather than property deals I would support a temporary voluntary higher solitary price that those who in a position to pay could pay- if we were a supporter owned club I pay 500-600 for a season ticket (not suggesting this should be price but that is what I be happy to pay including a voluntary additional contribution). But I don't really trust the owners and can see them using Covid as a way of justifying maintaining the high admission price indefinitely or even increasing it. one thing covid has exposed is that when there is a crisis clubs at this level need strong bonds of trust between supporters and owners to get through. Sadly our owners have not built these.
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Post by ahad43 on Jul 25, 2020 6:26:44 GMT
I would be interested to see how many people care about how safe the ground is for coronavirus. Bare in mind I'm younger (20-30), but at work and socially I don't see too many people caring that much. The largest factor that would stop me returning to Clarence Park would be the price (either on the gate or season ticket) as I have to travel down from Coventry. And with the increased prices I don't feel like it is good value / entertainment compared to doing other things on a weekend. I gave these answers in the National League survey as well when someone posted that on a different thread. I can only speak for myself and its a fair point you make but for me the question of safety will determine whether I attend next season not price. I not medically vulnerable and I pretty confident I survive but don't want to go through the entire experience. The issue of price for me is complex. Over the last few months I probably spent a grand a month less than normal as I have not got on a train, been to a pub/restaurant etc - although my pension pot has probably taken a battering. I accept the club has suffered a financial shock and if we had owners with a strong relationship with the fans and who I was convinced were interested in the long-term development of the club rather than property deals I would support a temporary voluntary higher solitary price that those who in a position to pay could pay- if we were a supporter owned club I pay 500-600 for a season ticket (not suggesting this should be price but that is what I be happy to pay including a voluntary additional contribution). But I don't really trust the owners and can see them using Covid as a way of justifying maintaining the high admission price indefinitely or even increasing it. one thing covid has exposed is that when there is a crisis clubs at this level need strong bonds of trust between supporters and owners to get through. Sadly our owners have not built these. Spot on
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Post by EFMTFTV on Jul 25, 2020 10:27:53 GMT
I don't profess to know what the club makes per home game, net, after all expenses, if anything, but what I do know is all the players and staff were furloughed and the club received a Covid-19 £25,000 grant from SACDC
So before we start feeling sorry for the club because of the financial implications of Covid-19 we probably need to understand the balance sheet from the last few months. I suspect that a peppercorn rent + lost bar takings and admission for 4 home games + rates paid is completely engulfed by the savings made by no wages, no ref fees, no coach travel to away games, no bills around the ground etc.
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Post by saint68 on Jul 25, 2020 16:02:53 GMT
I certainly haven’t been offered a refund. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t accept it but I do think it’s pretty shabby. Another example of how the club takes its supporters for granted.
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Post by EFMTFTV on Jul 26, 2020 8:23:27 GMT
Have you had any correspondence from the club at all?
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Post by saint68 on Jul 26, 2020 9:58:18 GMT
No, nothing at all. No e-mail, no phone call, not even an old-fashioned letter. I thought about contacting the Club but, as I said, I don’t actually want a refund - I’d just like the courtesy of an offer. The other reason I didn’t contact them was that I wrote three letters last autumn politely suggesting that their pricing policy was a massive own-goal and didn’t get a single reply, so what would be the point?
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Post by albanian on Jul 26, 2020 12:55:52 GMT
It's embarrassing. All over social media begging for player sponsorships and membership money, but not a word about refunding people's season tickets. Is anyone willing to defend that? Assume they're waiting until next year's season tickets go on sale, so they can offer to put it towards that. That's fair enough, but they shouldn't be taking sponsorship/membership money before they've at least offered people refunds. Especially when we don't even know in what form next season's going to take place.
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Post by saint68 on Jul 26, 2020 13:40:35 GMT
Yeh it’s possible that the Club will offer discounts to existing season ticket holders. Up until 12 months ago I’d have thought that was more than likely. But now ... ?
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Post by saint68 on Jul 27, 2020 15:51:14 GMT
It’s interesting that the Club’s twitter account has an interview with Joe about his award as joint-Golden Boot winner. It appears to have been taken at the weekend training session with Joe wearing a City training top. Does that mean there’s a chance he’ll stay for next season?
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Post by lagerman on Jul 27, 2020 17:07:02 GMT
Well if he doesn't get a Club for next season, he might
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2020 21:03:45 GMT
From the Non-League Paper on Twitter:
‘National League clubs have been given planned dates for the new season
The scheduled start date of the 2020-21 season is Saturday, 3 October 2020
The final league match of the normal season is scheduled for Saturday 29 May 2021
Play-offs scheduled to take place in June 2021’
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Post by ahad43 on Jul 27, 2020 21:07:21 GMT
From the Non-League Paper on Twitter: ‘National League clubs have been given planned dates for the new season The scheduled start date of the 2020-21 season is Saturday, 3 October 2020 The final league match of the normal season is scheduled for Saturday 29 May 2021 Play-offs scheduled to take place in June 2021’ Welcome back Saint, we missed you
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Post by saint68 on Jul 28, 2020 19:03:20 GMT
It’s strange that BBC and Sky have both reported the re-start date of October 3rd (which also appears to be the date for F.A. Cup 2nd Qualifying Rd), but there’s nothing on the National League website.
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Post by stafans on Jul 28, 2020 20:40:16 GMT
It’s strange that BBC and Sky have both reported the re-start date of October 3rd (which also appears to be the date for F.A. Cup 2nd Qualifying Rd), but there’s nothing on the National League website. Wasn’t it because the dates were directly sent to clubs and then announced by individual clubs and not the NL as a whole for some reason.
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Post by lagerman on Jul 28, 2020 21:51:37 GMT
From the Non-League Paper on Twitter: ‘National League clubs have been given planned dates for the new season The scheduled start date of the 2020-21 season is Saturday, 3 October 2020 The final league match of the normal season is scheduled for Saturday 29 May 2021 Play-offs scheduled to take place in June 2021’ So presumably, the fixtures will be out soon then ? But of course there is going to be all sorts of protocols and guidelines that Clubs must adhere to and what happens in the event on a 2nd wave of the virus and or local lockdown, or indeed God forbid, a full lockdown !!
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Post by lagerman on Aug 4, 2020 14:57:21 GMT
Actually, just what are peoples views on here, regarding next season If it definately starts in September or October with spectators allowed in, whenever it is, and there is a 2nd wave of Covid-19, and total lockdown is enforced, or local lockdown's, will we be just carrying on with postponements, and playing matches as and when we can, with leagues being extended to get them finished. Bearing in mind that should take us into a time next year when hopefully vaccines will be out and hopefully widely available to help kill covid-19 once and for all ? Of course we can all only have our own ideas about the way it could all pan out, nobody really knows how it's all going to go at this stage, l was just wondering what the general feeling was amongst us Saints fans ?
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Post by stafans on Aug 4, 2020 16:14:55 GMT
Actually, just what are peoples views on here, regarding next season If it definately starts in September or October with spectators allowed in, whenever it is, and there is a 2nd wave of Covid-19, and total lockdown is enforced, or local lockdown's, will we be just carrying on with postponements, and playing matches as and when we can, with leagues being extended to get them finished. Bearing in mind that should take us into a time next year when hopefully vaccines will be out and hopefully widely available to help kill covid-19 once and for all ? Of course we can all only have our own ideas about the way it could all pan out, nobody really knows how it's all going to go at this stage, l was just wondering what the general feeling was amongst us Saints fans ? As long as it’s safe and the correct things are in place to ensure safety im happy to go back in September/October to be honest. I think if social distancing is still needed it’s not too bad as most of our ground is terraces.
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Post by lagerman on Aug 4, 2020 17:40:48 GMT
Fair comment stefans, if it is safe and all the correct protocols have been followed by the Club, yes it should be ok to return, provided fans are allowed back
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Post by casper on Aug 6, 2020 12:12:54 GMT
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Post by saint68 on Aug 6, 2020 13:38:45 GMT
Sad news about Droylesden.
On a different note, Hitchin Town have announced a crowd limit of 500, including a maximum of 50 away fans. They won’t be accepting cash on the door, requesting that everyone buys their tickets online before the game. They say they have “a mandatory requirement to collect personal data for NHS Track and Trace requirements .... for everyone who attends”.
This is likely to be the template for all Clubs, including ours. In effect, all-ticket matches.
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Post by Boomer on Aug 6, 2020 16:28:32 GMT
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Post by casper on Aug 6, 2020 16:59:39 GMT
How many teams will start the season but not finish it? Could be interesting with results being scrubbed out and league positions changing as a result. Would make relegation less likely in the leagues though.
We need to get points on the board early, especially if the season is curtailed again due to a second wave and table is decided on points per game.
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Post by lagerman on Aug 6, 2020 20:19:45 GMT
Well, there needs to be clear and unified directives across the board in non-league before this next season gets underway as to what happens in the event of a 2nd outbreak of covid-19 and a nationwide lockdown, so everyone knows the score.
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Post by lagerman on Aug 6, 2020 20:25:10 GMT
If there is a 2nd wave of the virus and a national lockdown again, and non-league is halted again, it really does beg the Question of why we bothered re-starting this year in the 1st place. Personally, but l don't think it could've financially worked and football needs to get going again, l was personally thinking, hey, come on, knock the whole lot on the head until safer times next year
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