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Post by bob666 on May 9, 2023 17:35:02 GMT
From what I have read a issue is that they only the capacity to segregate about 550 away fans, they previously had no capacity to segregate but undertook some work last offseason as its requirement of promotion.
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Post by cityfan on May 9, 2023 19:05:37 GMT
Let’s be honest they could segregate as many as they wanted given a bit of planning. Dartford extended their normal segregation area on Sunday with just a few fences & stewards without any issue what so ever. So it’s easily done but I’m assuming they simply don’t want to give the away side any more tickets than they have to by the rules (15% of the capacity).
Given the fact their home crowds are so low it does seem a little poor, especially when you consider what a poor section of the ground we’ve been given, with pretty much no terracing anywhere to be seen.
You wonder by giving such a small allocation whether they are actually just opening themselves up to more problems on the day with away fans getting tickets for the home end.
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Post by jeffry on May 9, 2023 19:45:43 GMT
Anyone got tickets yet then?
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Post by hsc on May 9, 2023 19:50:44 GMT
Anyone got tickets yet then? Yep!
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Post by middxsaint on May 9, 2023 20:32:31 GMT
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Post by hsc on May 9, 2023 20:37:15 GMT
The club are actually promoting the home tickets link?! Whilst simultaneously saying don’t buy them. What a mess.
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Post by notsorecentconvert on May 9, 2023 21:17:13 GMT
I mean, this is a nonsense. A total nonsense. Non-league football has a decades long tradition of crowds mingling without an issue anyway.
What are they going to do? Take people's money then deny admission – risking problems on the day – rather than just trust people to get along okay.
What if someone says: "I'm a neutral supporter. A groundhopper. Bought the ticket in good faith." There are absolutely no grounds to deny admission or eject someone. Okay if someone turns up dressed head to toe in Saints clobber and tries to get in, or if they cause an issue in the ground that's a slightly different matter.
Bottom line is that if the clubs selling the tickets can't devise a system that distributes the tickets in the way they want, it is not down to the consumer to do it for them.
Anyway, not that I'd condone any Saints fans buying home tickets but perhaps a good idea to gen up on Oxford City and their famous history just in case you have to prove your credentials on the turnstile. Robert Maxwell, John Aldridge, the 1985 Milk Cup final... that's right, isn't it?
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Post by pinkpanther on May 10, 2023 0:31:09 GMT
Found various different estimates of Oxford City's capacity, ranging from 2,000 to 3,500. Quite a difference between those two. Anyway, are there any indications when tickets will go on sale? The mandatory minimum for National South is 3,000 and they've been at this level for a decade, so full capacity must have been assessed as the minimum of 3,000. Hence the away club's allocation of 15% is 450.
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Post by tim on May 10, 2023 7:18:15 GMT
So if the ground regulations state that clubs for national league status must have a capacity of at least 4000 how have they been allowed to take part in the play offs? I remember when we were denied promotion because of the tree!
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Post by tim on May 10, 2023 7:42:21 GMT
Having read the FA documents in detail I do not see how they can be allowed promotion with a sub 4000 capacity there does not seem to be any provision for a development period. In fact they need at least 3000 to comply with level 2 regs so they should not even be in the conference south. Am I missing something?
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Post by pinkpanther on May 10, 2023 10:07:02 GMT
Having read the FA documents in detail I do not see how they can be allowed promotion with a sub 4000 capacity there does not seem to be any provision for a development period. In fact they need at least 3000 to comply with level 2 regs so they should not even be in the conference south. Am I missing something? This link has the relevant clauses at the top, with a link to the full FA document within. They will already have satisfied the FA they "could achieve" 4,000 and will have until March 31st "upon entry to Step 1", i.e. next year, once they've actually gone up, to achieve the necessary improvements and demonstrate they "could achieve" a further increase to 5,000. Otherwise they'll be demoted regardless of league position, which would have happened to Peterborough Sports this year in National North if they hadn't been granted an extension to the deadline. www.groundgrading.co.uk/newpage35dc15cf"Grade 2 has to be achieved by March 31st upon promotion entry to Step 2 A plan of how the ground could achieve a future capacity of 4,000 is needed by the same March 31st as above. In order to qualify for play-off entry, or at the latest In the 3rd consecutive season of membership, 500 undercover seats are required. * Grade 1 is required by March 31st upon entry to Step 1. The club must be able to demonstrate how a capacity of 5,000 could be achieved. * Ground Grading is required every 3 years for every ground."
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Post by middxsaint on May 10, 2023 11:21:00 GMT
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Post by norfamptonsaint on May 10, 2023 14:02:07 GMT
Anyway, not that I'd condone any Saints fans buying home tickets but perhaps a good idea to gen up on Oxford City and their famous history just in case you have to prove your credentials on the turnstile. Robert Maxwell, John Aldridge, the 1985 Milk Cup final... that's right, isn't it? Right city, wrong club nsrc; a fun fact about Oxford City was that they were for many years to be found in the Guinness Book of Records for their part in the longest cup tie, in the FA Cup against Alvechurch, which went to five or six replays before the tie was settled.
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Post by middxsaint on May 10, 2023 17:06:02 GMT
Anyway, not that I'd condone any Saints fans buying home tickets but perhaps a good idea to gen up on Oxford City and their famous history just in case you have to prove your credentials on the turnstile. Robert Maxwell, John Aldridge, the 1985 Milk Cup final... that's right, isn't it? Right city, wrong club nsrc; a fun fact about Oxford City was that they were for many years to be found in the Guinness Book of Records for their part in the longest cup tie, in the FA Cup against Alvechurch, which went to five or six replays before the tie was settled. Shame they had to leave the White House Ground www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2008/08/04/nl_oxford_ground_feature.shtml which held 9,500 in 1950 v Leytonstone.
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Post by notsorecentconvert on May 10, 2023 18:18:23 GMT
I was going to say that I was sure I could remember a team in blue and white hoops playing in the 1985 Milk Cup final, but I think the joke's gone far enough!
Anyway, to serious matters. In an entirely theoretical situation where a St Albans fan in his late 40s, who wears spectacles and will not be wearing Saints colours/shirt/scarf etc, and who heads in the opposite direction at the first sign of any confrontation, were to use their perfectly valid ticket purchased for the home end, what do you think would happen?
I'm – I mean he's – going try to try for an away ticket tomorrow morning but in the event that I / he can't get one does anyone anticipate difficulty getting into the ground. In this entirely theoretical situation, of course.
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Post by saint68 on May 10, 2023 20:41:41 GMT
I was going to say that I was sure I could remember a team in blue and white hoops playing in the 1985 Milk Cup final, but I think the joke's gone far enough! Anyway, to serious matters. In an entirely theoretical situation where a St Albans fan in his late 40s, who wears spectacles and will not be wearing Saints colours/shirt/scarf etc, and who heads in the opposite direction at the first sign of any confrontation, were to use their perfectly valid ticket purchased for the home end, what do you think would happen? I'm – I mean he's – going try to try for an away ticket tomorrow morning but in the event that I / he can't get one does anyone anticipate difficulty getting into the ground. In this entirely theoretical situation, of course. According to City’s Twitter there are “less than 100” away tickets left, so you might be lucky if you’re quick off the mark tomorrow. If you end up buying a home ticket I would have thought you’d be allowed in - after all, how would they know you’re from Snorbuns? As long as you don’t wear any colours and don’t shout “yippee” at the wrong moment. Good luck!
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Post by saintsdad on May 11, 2023 8:11:21 GMT
At 08:59:58 (approximately) there were home tickets available only At 08:59:59 (approximately) home tickets said sold out At 09:00:00 (approximately) away tickets were displayed on the page but said sold out
At 09:07:00 (approximately) home tickets appeared to be available At 09:07:01 (approximately) away tickets were available At 09:07:02 (approximately) 1 away ticket didn't make it from the main page into the basket At 09:07:03 (approximately) away tickets said sold out
My guess is the Oxford City ticketing website didn't do the job it was supposed to
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Post by saintsdad on May 11, 2023 8:15:29 GMT
I wonder if any (how many) neutrals or mostly-neutrals bought 'home' tickets
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Post by COYS on May 11, 2023 8:26:59 GMT
At 08:59:58 (approximately) there were home tickets available only At 08:59:59 (approximately) home tickets said sold out At 09:00:00 (approximately) away tickets were displayed on the page but said sold out At 09:07:00 (approximately) home tickets appeared to be available At 09:07:01 (approximately) away tickets were available At 09:07:02 (approximately) 1 away ticket didn't make it from the main page into the basket At 09:07:03 (approximately) away tickets said sold out My guess is the Oxford City ticketing website didn't do the job it was supposed to Well summarised, exactly my experience. And the Oxford City home tickets continue to alternate between available and sold out, which means I'm inclined to agree with you re their ticketing website.
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Post by saintsfan8 on May 11, 2023 8:41:43 GMT
I would guess that they have seen the away demand and have worked out that some st Albans fans are buying in the home end. They have them panicked and moved all home tickets to sold out while they work out how to prevent too many saints in the home end.
This is what everyone predicted would happen. I get the home advantage element but why didnt they get rid of any segregation and have an initial 24hrs for home season tickets and members and then just open it up to all
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Post by saintsdad on May 11, 2023 9:02:07 GMT
The home advantage argument doesn't make sense to me
Oxford City finished 3 points above us and therefore deserve home advantage
Notts County finished 23 points above Chesterfield but are playing at a neutral venue
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Post by Boomer on May 11, 2023 9:11:37 GMT
I have just been told that, to date, one of our most ardent supporters has been unable to get a ticket for the game on Sunday. He has attended every single Saints game this season which equates to 7 pre season games, all 53 league and cup games and both post season games. That is just plain wrong
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Post by saintsdad on May 11, 2023 9:20:53 GMT
I have just been told that, to date, one of our most ardent supporters has been unable to get a ticket for the game on Sunday. He has attended every single Saints game this season which equates to 7 pre season games, all 53 league and cup games and both post season games. That is just plain wrong Are they not a season ticket holder?
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Post by boojiboy on May 11, 2023 9:48:45 GMT
I have just been told that, to date, one of our most ardent supporters has been unable to get a ticket for the game on Sunday. He has attended every single Saints game this season which equates to 7 pre season games, all 53 league and cup games and both post season games. That is just plain wrong I think I know who that will be. I know that he shouldn’t have to but can’t he just get a ticket in the home end like a 1,000 other City fans will have done. They are still available.
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Post by saintsdad on May 11, 2023 9:54:35 GMT
Should get Adrian Durham on the case
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Post by EFMTFTV on May 11, 2023 13:45:02 GMT
I have just been told that, to date, one of our most ardent supporters has been unable to get a ticket for the game on Sunday. He has attended every single Saints game this season which equates to 7 pre season games, all 53 league and cup games and both post season games. That is just plain wrong If that was me I'd give up on this club and find another to support Probably go for Oxford City, not too far from St Albans and I hear they have a chance of getting promoted this weekend, might see if there are any ticket still available
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Post by hsc on May 11, 2023 15:32:59 GMT
Oxford City Twitter account now saying it’s sold out in home areas too, except for 150 on sale tomorrow from their ticket office. Looking forward to seeing a bunch of other incognito saints in the home section on Sunday! Was planning on wearing my colours under a jumper but it looks like it’s going to be a hot one!
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Post by Boomer on May 11, 2023 15:35:48 GMT
I have just been told that, to date, one of our most ardent supporters has been unable to get a ticket for the game on Sunday. He has attended every single Saints game this season which equates to 7 pre season games, all 53 league and cup games and both post season games All now sorted - match No 63 awaits.
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Post by fatbear on May 11, 2023 19:46:58 GMT
Well, it is not just Saints fans who may be missing out, as a fairly regular visit to Oxford City I was too late to buy my ticket.
I'll just have to watch on BT Sports, and maybe my usual match report might be more accurate !
In any case, my absence might be a blessing for St Albans as I have seen you three times in the past and you have lost on every occasion.....
I'll post my report on here on Sunday in any case, for anyone who might be interested.
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Post by jj123 on May 11, 2023 19:49:34 GMT
Well, it is not just Saints fans who may be missing out, as a fairly regular visit to Oxford City I was too late to buy my ticket. I'll just have to watch on BT Sports, and maybe my usual match report might be more accurate ! In any case, my absence might be a blessing for St Albans as I have seen you three times in the past and you have lost on every occasion..... I'll post my report on here on Sunday in any case, for anyone who might be interested. Thanks FB. A real shame about the ticket situation, but I will head to the fanzone at the park to watch - should be a cracking atmosphere.
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