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Post by allsaints on Oct 23, 2011 11:37:54 GMT
'give Howsie and Ken time, worked wonders at Harrow and they'll do same at for St Albans'
It only took 8 years at Harrow to have a good season ! The best of that Harrow team are at St Albans , too
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 23, 2011 12:52:50 GMT
What constitutes a good season at Harrow, Allsaints? Any idea? Am I right in thinking that they operated with considerably less financial resources than most in their division? Aren't they one of the smaller sides in their league? Certainly, when I read about Howell's time at their club, there is a lot of talk of having had to reduce debts with the main aim having been to stay in the league. How much relevance does this have, anyway? Do you believe managers are fixed as either good or bad, forever? Is there no grey in between? Furthermore, is it not possible for a manager to improve as they gain experience and knowledge during their career? Is Alex Ferguson a bad manager because he didn't get on that well at East Stirlingshire, had early disappointments at Aberdeen and was famously almost fired during the early days at Old Trafford? Whatever... I believe it is our job as fans and supporters of the club to get behind the manager and players. Let's give DH and KC our backing and SUPPORT THE TEAM, for goodness sake!
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Post by Canary Saint on Oct 23, 2011 13:12:52 GMT
The season kicked off properly on 13th August. It is now the 23rd October. That's not even three months of the football season. That's 10 weeks of a new campaign and some people want the manager out already? That's just crazy, in my opinion. The idea of changing the manager right now seems totally illogical to me. I can't understand why anyone would think it was a good idea! First of all, experience has shown that in the majority of cases, changing manager during the middle of the season has a negligible effect on how well the club does, bar an initial 'honeymoon' period, anyway. Secondly, switching to a different leader brings with it massive disruption which, in itself, can have a negative effect on performance. Things are likely to get worse rather than better! Finally, let's not forget that DH is rebuilding the first team for the longer-term. The ultimate goal never was to get promoted this season. It was to consolidate and rebuild after a terrible couple of years at the club. During pre-season, we had a poll on here asking about people's expectations for the new season. The majority voted for a 'top half finish'. Most were realistic that this season could see a slow start whilst the rebuilding of the team takes place. In my opinion, we've got a charismatic, intelligent football man in charge of the club. He and his staff deserve our support in these still very early days. Let's see some stability in the long-term at the club and get behind the manager and his team! Daedalus A well thought out and responsible argument (unlike the "what planet are you on" type response of some others). I think that on the whole what you say is makes good common sense, but..................................................... Things in my opinion have not improved since the start of the season and my gut feeling is that are not going to in the foreseeable future. However, I agree that it is too soon to talk about sacking the manager. Now is the time for those of us that doubt to grit our teeth and hope for brighter days ahead. On the other hand, there must be a finite time that we can be patient. Is it until Christmas? Is it the end of the season? I hope it is not 8 years and then fail in the play offs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2011 13:28:47 GMT
perfectly valid question ."canary saint" if you think we were going to be a top 6 side after all that has gone on the proceeding years we clearly see things differently its not about being patient its about being 'grounded'
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 23, 2011 14:09:43 GMT
Canary Saint, whatever the length of time, it is surely longer than 10 weeks of the football season, I hope!
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Post by Canary Saint on Oct 23, 2011 19:25:52 GMT
Gaz - I was not expecting to be in the top 6, what I was hoping (and I think most City supporters) to be knocking on the door of the play off places. However what worries me most is that this squad has no 'spark' about it and I'm not sure the contacts are in place to attract a better class of player. Daedalus - To be fair I did say ".........I agree that it is too soon to talk about sacking the manager." BTW this emoticon indicates that I'm undecided
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Post by EFMTFTV on Oct 23, 2011 20:04:34 GMT
One of the key reason DH was employed was for the football he played, my main concern is we're not seeing good football, I don't mind losing if we do it with style, I hate losing playing dreadful football so in my eyes he needs to start playing in the style we expect
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Post by COYS on Oct 23, 2011 20:06:23 GMT
One of the key reason DH was employed was for the football he played, my main concern is we're not seeing good football, I don't mind losing if we do it with style, I hate losing playing dreadful football so in my eyes he needs to start playing in the style we expect I think we've seen patches of some good stuff, and while I agree that that's not good enough, I think there's evidence to suggest we have it in us, which is a good sign. We just need to get it going consistently, which will take time.
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Post by Boomer on Oct 23, 2011 20:46:20 GMT
When you are starting off from scratch, as DH and KC have had to do this season, the one blindingly obvious repercussion of that is that you are going to to see inconsistent performances and results, until such time as the team starts to get to know each other and starts to gel, notwithstanding the fact that the manager will also have to gradually bring better players to replace some of the current players in order to improve the side along the away. We are still in the embryo stage and will be, for a little while yet. You cannot turn around 4 years of total despair and suffering completely in just 10 weeks. We are 12th in the league and, at the moment, that is acceptable in my book and it is where I think most supporters, if they are honest, hoped to be. Gaz - I was not expecting to be in the top 6, what I was hoping (as Mr Ridley said at the start of the season) to be knocking on the door of the play off places. However what worries me most is that this squad has no 'spark' about it......................... Perhaps it's me CS but is there that much difference between top 6 and knocking on the door of the play off places? I would definitely agree with you about no 'spark' and I would say that is not unconnected with the lack of leadership on the pitch. That is one thing that has to be addressed sooner rather than later.
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Post by fatboyatmfc on Oct 23, 2011 20:52:12 GMT
Firstly, thanks for the warm welcome you gave us in the bar etc. It was nice to visit an old style football ground. I thought for the first 20 we showed you too much respect and when you went 1 up i also thought the worst. However, this season our new team never say die and play for each other so i wasnt surprised that we got back into the game.
I dont feel its my place to enter into your manager debate, but i will just add this. We played harrow boro for 4 seasons in the ryman premier and found them to be a very hard team to beat. They attacked with pace and defended for their lives. I have no doubt that once he stamps his way on the team DH will come good for you. He is a good manager.
Good luck for the rest of the season. FB
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Post by Boomer on Oct 23, 2011 21:02:18 GMT
It only took 8 years at Harrow to have a good season ! On probably one of the smallest budgets in the league, apparently. Something akln to comparing Swansea and Wigan with Man City and Chelsea. Apples and oranges.
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Post by centurian on Oct 23, 2011 21:09:09 GMT
having watched a good number of matches this season,the team has no defence and lacks any real quality most of the players just don't seem good enough its hard to see how things will improve. as winter comes on crowds will get smaller,who wants to pay ten pounds for this type of football.
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Post by saintsped on Oct 24, 2011 8:52:34 GMT
how many times do you need reminding...The Manager had EIGHT seasons at Harrow and made the play-offs ONCE ! If some of you Saints fans are happy with him achieving that with The Saints then crack on..Personally it is obvious to anyone with a football brain that he is never going to take this club forward and I am not the only one sick of watching Harrow Borough play everyweek when we have local Youth Team Players who would do a better job !
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Post by Hatboy on Oct 24, 2011 9:13:38 GMT
I haven't posted until now as i was out all day Sunday but by doing that and watching Manchester United get stuffed at Home it put things into perspective.
We are playing poorly and changes obviously need to be made but pre season like many others on here i made a prediction/wish that we would finish mid table in our first season and consolidate as Daedalus said earlier it is only just two and a half months into the season and Mr Howell himself in the interview after the game said he had needed time to watch players because of injuries and suspensions and competing for places and it now seems to be getting to that stage where changes in personnel may happen.
A couple of signings as i said before @ central defence and centre midfield could turn this team around it is still too early in my mind to make rash judgements.
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 24, 2011 10:03:03 GMT
how many times do you need reminding...The Manager had EIGHT seasons at Harrow and made the play-offs ONCE ! ! But if the expectations at Harrow were to avoid relegation each season then it seems he did a decent job meeting expectations plus managed to overachieve to a very impressive level during his last season at the club. It's a bit like saying David Moyes is a crap manager because he has been at Everton for ten years and only managed to get into the Champions League once. And yet, apparently, Alex Ferguson has tipped him as his possible successor at Manchester United!
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 24, 2011 10:09:22 GMT
We are playing poorly and changes obviously need to be made but pre season like many others on here i made a prediction/wish that we would finish mid table in our first season and consolidate as Daedalus said earlier it is only just two and a half months into the season and Mr Howell himself in the interview after the game said he had needed time to watch players because of injuries and suspensions and competing for places and it now seems to be getting to that stage where changes in personal may happen. A couple of signings as i said before @ central defence and centre midfield could turn this team around it is still too early in my mind to make rash judgements. Well said Hatboy. I also agree with Boomer about the lack of leadership on the pitch. My feeling is that we are missing some strong characters on the pitch at the moment and sorting that out might well be what is needed to resolve the issues of inconsistency from the current side. No images allowed -http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz40/Crouchaldinho_SACFC/crossfingers.gif
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 24, 2011 10:19:18 GMT
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Post by tevez32 on Oct 24, 2011 11:34:01 GMT
Give the management time. Even if it takes a whole season to gel and we finish mid-table, can we not look forward to a promotion push next year?
It takes time to build a team, and Howsy and Ken have done a decent job so far considering they had to put a completely new team together!
Ok, we're out of the cups now, but let's push on in the league. I would love us to get playoffs this season but as long as we do ok, i'm treating this year as a transitional season.
Anyone agree?
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Post by tevez32 on Oct 24, 2011 11:36:25 GMT
I expect a few pieces of 'dead wood' to leave this week, thus giving the management room to get more 'leaders' in.
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Post by EFMTFTV on Nov 6, 2011 12:34:05 GMT
Bit of a cracker in the next round for our victors:
Chertsey Town 6-5 Ashford Town (Middx)
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