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Post by gertchaefm on Jan 18, 2015 12:38:55 GMT
Why does the club employ night club bouncers at home games these days? Is it a league ruling that hired security guards are required in place of (or in addition to) the voluntary stewards who in all my years of going down the park have done a great job.
I can understand the need for their presence at big games, but it seems overkill for the majority of non-league games down the park.
I would like to say well done to the club officials yesterday who ensured common sense prevailed when one thug with a yellow jacket and badge on his arm (who obviously thought it was kicking out time at the Adelaide) decided to get heavy handed with one of the St.Albans supporters. That bouncer was in danger of causing the sort of trouble he is supposedly employed at the ground to prevent.
If their presence is not a league requirement, then the club should have a rethink on this - god knows how much they cost!
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Post by PaperSaint on Jan 18, 2015 13:25:19 GMT
Did seem to over the top in the way he handled the situation - maybe if a next time occurs we take the Spartacus approach... no, it was me, no, was me, me!
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Post by EFMTFTV on Jan 18, 2015 20:18:42 GMT
I don't think it's a league requirement as plenty of teams don't have them
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Post by fatboy on Jan 18, 2015 23:55:55 GMT
Was more pissed off after the game in the clubhouse , music was full blast for no good reason, could not hold a conversation , saw a few leaving because of the high level of noise/ hard to call it music.
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Post by EFMTFTV on Jan 19, 2015 16:57:19 GMT
Really?
The music was on slightly louder than it normally was, not by much though, the speakers and PA in the clubhouse are poo poo
We had our friends from our twin town over and the playlist was generated for them
I thought the atmosphere in the clubhouse was fantastic and it was as busy as I'd seen it for a while
The music wasn't on for that long as we moved it all downstairs after 30/45 mins
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Post by Hatboy on Jan 19, 2015 18:59:41 GMT
It was nice to see Father Christmas there on the terraces though, a bit of work for him during the rest of the year
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Post by gertchaefm on Jan 21, 2015 9:34:19 GMT
If it isn't compulsory I wonder why the club has decided to continue with this expense every home game. Doesn't seem necessary to me for the majority of home matches.
How much out of the £15 admission fee goes towards funding their wages?
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Post by yellowalf on Jan 21, 2015 13:06:01 GMT
Firstly, can you describe the incident with the heavy-handed steward for those of us who didn't' see it?
Secondly, are the regular stewards SIA licensed? My reason for asking is the presumption that Herts County Council insists on SIA accredited stewards in attendance at many public events in the vicinity before issuing a safety certificate. As heavy-handed as it may seem on the part of the Council, if this is indeed the case, then no SIA "night-club bouncers" (as you call them) = no game. In my personal experience, SIA licensed stewards are well-trained and able to diffuse situations quickly so it would appear on the face of it that the steward in question may need a reminder of his responsibilities. I've chatted to SIA stewards at the St Albans Beer Festival and they are very informative of what their legal responsibilities are and how far their authority will go. The ones I've spoken to are aware of the ramifications of breaking the law, so this sounds to me like a unique occurrence; without knowing any details.
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Post by eamsie on Jan 21, 2015 13:37:30 GMT
Yellowalf is spot on. Whilst not a league requirement, it is a condition of our Herts County Council Safety Certificate that sufficient trained and licensed stewards are in attendance at games played at Clarence Park. We employ the services of Principal Security Consultants limited whose operatives are SIA accredited and trained in the stewarding of football matches.
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Post by gertchaefm on Jan 21, 2015 14:31:47 GMT
Fair enough, sounds like the club has no choice. Shame really as I expect they don't come cheap and at the end of the day this is non-league football were money is tight and better spent on other things. We managed fine without them for long enough but a sign of the times we live in I guess.
Totally agree yellowalf a lot of the licensed stewards are well informed and know right from wrong and provide reassurance. Like everything in life there will always be a minority who don't and whose behaviour therefore stands out, which prompted my post on the subject.
This 'steward' on Saturday was very aggressive, used excessive force against a supporter and his behaviour was in danger of inciting the crowd and causing problems.
As I said in my original post, the club officials sorted this out very quickly and thanks to them common sense prevailed. The head steward then removed the steward in question so obviously realised he had behaved inappropriately.
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Post by yellowalf on Jan 21, 2015 15:23:35 GMT
This 'steward' on Saturday was very aggressive, used excessive force against a supporter and his behaviour was in danger of inciting the crowd and causing problems. As I said in my original post, the club officials sorted this out very quickly and thanks to them common sense prevailed. The head steward then removed the steward in question so obviously realised he had behaved inappropriately. Hope he has his SIA accreditation removed then - it reflects badly on those who worked hard to earn their badge and treat it (and the public) with respect. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 21, 2015 18:47:46 GMT
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Post by yellowalf on Jan 22, 2015 8:22:24 GMT
Another problems with flares is that, depending on the type they are, they can cause serious injury and even death. Despite being an official FA release (and I have little or no faith in the ability of the FA to put their proverbial shoes on the correct foot of a morning) this article explains some of the issues with taking flares into football matches: www.thefa.com/news/2013/dec/fa-backs-pyrotechnics-supporter-educationWhile it was clear that the flare evident at CP on Saturday was a smoke canister rather than a marine distress flare of the type that killed John Hill at the Wales-Romania game in Cardiff in November 1993, a smoke canister can still burn or cause respiratory damage. My own personal view is that you'd need to be naive or stupid to take a flare or firework into a football ground: anyone who does should be banned from all grounds in this county for life. |
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Post by EFMTFTV on Jan 22, 2015 12:41:27 GMT
So one person dies once from a marine flare so the 1000s of people that use them every weekend in 100s of football ground all over the world have to stop
They create a good atmosphere IMO
Bit like demonising the entire rave culture because Leah Betts died
Suppose that's a good analogy actually, because ecstasy is demonised and illgal in this country people die by taking fake pills and not being educated in what to expect, which is why Leah Betts died of drowning and not the ecstasy. All things that could be avoided if there was a facilty to test the stuff and/or it be made legal and correctly regulated (like alcohol is)
So if the FA themselves sold flares that didn't cause injury or death but still created the atmosphere we crave then people wouldn't bring industrial marine flares to football matches
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Post by yellowalf on Jan 22, 2015 16:03:00 GMT
So one person dies once from a marine flare so the 1000s of people that use them every weekend in 100s of football ground all over the world have to stop They create a good atmosphere IMO Bit like demonising the entire rave culture because Leah Betts died Suppose that's a good analogy actually, because ecstasy is demonised and illgal in this country people die by taking fake pills and not being educated in what to expect, which is why Leah Betts died of drowning and not the ecstasy. All things that could be avoided if there was a facilty to test the stuff and/or it be made legal and correctly regulated (like alcohol is) So if the FA themselves sold flares that didn't cause injury or death but still created the atmosphere we crave then people wouldn't bring industrial marine flares to football matches Nope, you've completely missed the point and are comparing apples and toffees. Its not because one person died (one person too many in my book), its because there is a very real danger of serious injury to anyone standing around. The Leah Betts analogy is specious and ignorant; rather like those who tried to blame the rave culture for something it was not responsible for, namely the unfortunate death of Leah Betts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 16:27:55 GMT
if they were that dangerous to anyone standing around they wouldnt be part of every good lifeboats emergency supplies
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Post by yellowalf on Jan 22, 2015 18:55:39 GMT
if they were that dangerous to anyone standing around they wouldnt be part of every good lifeboats emergency supplies Ha-ha! Simply brilliant!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 11:10:32 GMT
bit silly talking about a real danger of serious injury to anyone standing around really its not like someones gonna run into the cola stand and set one off then leave it there for all the oldies to have heart attacks or breathing problems
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 11:11:29 GMT
dangers in tightly packed crowds, not much chance of that for a home game against concord
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Post by saintsupp on Jan 23, 2015 11:55:01 GMT
Aside from whether flares can ever be made safe, I'm just surprised no-ones commented on how the stewards dealt with the flare - ie, to throw it down to the front of the terrace right into where the kids congregate, sending them flying out of the way. Their overall crowd control has been more sensible in recent games, but that was appalling, and maybe as good a reason as any for perhaps not bringing them at all (the flares that is, not the kids).
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Post by EFMTFTV on Jan 23, 2015 15:08:44 GMT
They make plenty of pyrotechnics for films and TV that don't burn
There is a business there for someone
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Post by jj123 on Jan 23, 2015 16:46:56 GMT
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