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Apr 7, 2024 15:25:10 GMT
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Post by minty on Apr 7, 2024 15:25:10 GMT
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Apr 7, 2024 16:11:21 GMT
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Post by citycentresaint on Apr 7, 2024 16:11:21 GMT
Always thought it was a strange move. We are a bigger club than Wealdstone. Then you have to factor in controlling their firm run by The Wealdstone Raider, and you realise it is a tough job.
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Apr 7, 2024 16:42:35 GMT
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Post by saintsman2000 on Apr 7, 2024 16:42:35 GMT
Personally i’d take Noble back, although, i do think he made the wrong decision and took the jump to the national league way to early, he did do brilliantly with us: last season he took us from 16th to a playoff final and this season although he did make a few mistakes but all young managers would, he did get us within a point off playoffs before he left and considering we had a dreadful injury crisis up until christmas we did well - our form from that 4-4 against worthing up until yeovil when he left was one of the best in the league
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Apr 7, 2024 17:07:09 GMT
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Post by cityfan on Apr 7, 2024 17:07:09 GMT
Not for me. I think we’ve been better since he left, Jeffers I think has scored 15 in 15 league games since he left which highlights just how ridiculous his continued keeping him out the side was. From what you read his bizarre team selections & dropping of key players continued at Wealdstone with him putting their captain on the bench for the past few games. Plenty of fans would have been happy to see the back of Noble just prior to the upturn in form before he left for Wealdstone.
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Apr 7, 2024 17:30:12 GMT
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Post by saintsman2000 on Apr 7, 2024 17:30:12 GMT
Not for me. I think we’ve been better since he left, Jeffers I think has scored 15 in 15 league games since he left which highlights just how ridiculous his continued keeping him out the side was. From what you read his bizarre team selections & dropping of key players continued at Wealdstone with him putting their captain on the bench for the past few games. Plenty of fans would have been happy to see the back of Noble just prior to the upturn in form before he left for Wealdstone. With the whole jeffers situation i did think he was poor at the start of the season especially against Torquay, Billericay and Braintree in which he started but he has been brilliant since he got bought back-into the fold since the Worthing game - also we do have to acknowledge even Jon Meakes agreed Shaun was not good at the start - and our upturn of form started with Nobby and the first few games under meakes he was playing the exact same system as Noble and still is except with only one central midfielder
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Apr 7, 2024 17:52:17 GMT
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Post by sideshowbob on Apr 7, 2024 17:52:17 GMT
We are a bigger club than wealdstone? Really?
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Apr 7, 2024 18:25:34 GMT
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Post by cityfan on Apr 7, 2024 18:25:34 GMT
Not for me. I think we’ve been better since he left, Jeffers I think has scored 15 in 15 league games since he left which highlights just how ridiculous his continued keeping him out the side was. From what you read his bizarre team selections & dropping of key players continued at Wealdstone with him putting their captain on the bench for the past few games. Plenty of fans would have been happy to see the back of Noble just prior to the upturn in form before he left for Wealdstone. With the whole jeffers situation i did think he was poor at the start of the season especially against Torquay, Billericay and Braintree in which he started but he has been brilliant since he got bought back-into the fold since the Worthing game - also we do have to acknowledge even Jon Meakes agreed Shaun was not good at the start - and our upturn of form started with Nobby and the first few games under meakes he was playing the exact same system as Noble and still is except with only one central midfielder I imagine his confidence took an absolute battering, left out of the play off final & various games last season. Then played very little in pre season & it was blatantly obvious he wasn’t fancied by the manager. From what I heard the club touted him around as well. Then when he was played you always felt as soon as he didn’t score he’d be dropped. He played, scored twice against Chelmsford & then one game not scoring at Billericay when the whole side was shocking he gets dropped again. It’ll be interesting to see what Meakes looks to change for next season assuming he’s still in charge!
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Apr 7, 2024 18:28:41 GMT
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Post by jj123 on Apr 7, 2024 18:28:41 GMT
Personally i’d take Noble back, although, i do think he made the wrong decision and took the jump to the national league way to early, he did do brilliantly with us: last season he took us from 16th to a playoff final and this season although he did make a few mistakes but all young managers would, he did get us within a point off playoffs before he left and considering we had a dreadful injury crisis up until christmas we did well - our form from that 4-4 against worthing up until yeovil when he left was one of the best in the league You must be joking. It’s his fault we’re missing out on the play offs this year by starting the best player in the league on the bench.
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Apr 7, 2024 18:38:07 GMT
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Post by saintsman2000 on Apr 7, 2024 18:38:07 GMT
You must be joking. It’s his fault we’re missing out on the play offs this year by starting the best player in the league on the bench. [/quote] by that logic we should’ve won the last 5 because he was starting
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Apr 7, 2024 19:00:09 GMT
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Post by jj123 on Apr 7, 2024 19:00:09 GMT
You must be joking. It’s his fault we’re missing out on the play offs this year by starting the best player in the league on the bench. by that logic we should’ve won the last 5 because he was starting[/quote] We would comfortably be in the playoffs if SJ had started every week. Who knows we may have been in the National League if he’d started the playoff final. David Noble has a lot to answer for.
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Apr 7, 2024 20:04:45 GMT
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Post by citycentresaint on Apr 7, 2024 20:04:45 GMT
You must be joking. It’s his fault we’re missing out on the play offs this year by starting the best player in the league on the bench. by that logic we should’ve won the last 5 because he was starting Well said fella. Noble would bench Haaland and Kane.
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Apr 7, 2024 20:18:10 GMT
Post by bob666 on Apr 7, 2024 20:18:10 GMT
We all missing the obvious appointment. The Raider is the man to manage the club going forward. While slightly before my time (I was alive but a small boy!) I believe Ron Duke employed a management by fear approach. The Raiders the man to take us forward, he can take this to the next level. Keep everyone in line. Also I believe Gordan Hill is a builder and lets be honest he come in useful around the Park in the offseason as parts of the ground look very tried.
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Apr 7, 2024 20:37:13 GMT
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Post by sideshowbob on Apr 7, 2024 20:37:13 GMT
Ron Duke was an obnoxious little man.
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Apr 7, 2024 20:46:03 GMT
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Post by citycentresaint on Apr 7, 2024 20:46:03 GMT
We all missing the obvious appointment. The Raider is the man to manage the club going forward. While slightly before my time (I was alive but a small boy!) I believe Ron Duke employed a management by fear approach. The Raiders the man to take us forward, he can take this to the next level. Keep everyone in line. Also I believe Gordan Hill is a builder and lets be honest he come in useful around the Park in the offseason as parts of the ground look very tried. The Wealdstone Raider can build our new stadium. It will have a bar on each corner serving an array of craft beers. It will also have space for a small farm so we can rear plenty of chickens, and keep our fans well fed with chicken wings. His 'firm' would also be able to handle match day security.
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Apr 7, 2024 20:46:31 GMT
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Post by saintsman2000 on Apr 7, 2024 20:46:31 GMT
I do wanna remind people Noble had a 50% win record as saints manager: Ian had 40%, and Meakes currently has around 40%
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Apr 7, 2024 21:50:27 GMT
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Post by citycentresaint on Apr 7, 2024 21:50:27 GMT
I do wanna remind people Noble had a 50% win record as saints manager: Ian had 40%, and Meakes currently has around 40% His fixation on tippy tappy football and not starting Jeffers is his legacy.
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Apr 7, 2024 21:59:33 GMT
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Post by saintsman2000 on Apr 7, 2024 21:59:33 GMT
I do wanna remind people Noble had a 50% win record as saints manager: Ian had 40%, and Meakes currently has around 40% His fixation on tippy tappy football and not starting Jeffers is his legacy. you know we havent stopped playing tippy tappy football…
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Apr 7, 2024 23:08:58 GMT
Post by euclid on Apr 7, 2024 23:08:58 GMT
Ron Duke was an obnoxious little man. He may have been on the touchline, but he was always happy to chat in the bar afterwards. Don't make them like him anymore !! Really don't want Nobby back anywhere near the Park to be honest. Didn't think twice about leaving, so why go crawling back to him? He'd be a great fit at the Wood when the come down !! .
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Apr 8, 2024 8:27:00 GMT
Post by minty on Apr 8, 2024 8:27:00 GMT
Wealdstone fans are already touting Luke Garrard as a replacement. I guess he's been pre-conditioned at the Wood with their low IQ fans so the next step would be the Stones!
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Apr 8, 2024 9:32:34 GMT
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Post by sideshowbob on Apr 8, 2024 9:32:34 GMT
Wealdstone is the worst kind of club to take over as manager, two games without a win and they would want him sacked. Don't understAnd why wanted nobby in the first place.
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Apr 8, 2024 12:45:23 GMT
Post by bob666 on Apr 8, 2024 12:45:23 GMT
Wealdstone is the worst kind of club to take over as manager, two games without a win and they would want him sacked. Don't understAnd why wanted nobby in the first place. Seems a bit unfair. There last manager left cause he got a league job (not fired) and Noble record at the club was remarkably poor. He had 15 games averaged 0.73 points a game. In the first 26 games they averaged 1.34 a game. He took a side who looked comfortable mid table with a outside shot of the playoffs to the brink of relegation. I don't think they any choice after the way they lost Saturday, got to roll the dice. The problem I have with Noble is that he has a way of playing and just seems completely unwilling or unable to adapt and be pragmatic. He done the same thing about stones of dropping their established 9. I don't think he likes a particular type of traditional 9 and just will not play them even when the goals completely dry up.
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Apr 8, 2024 13:38:51 GMT
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Post by saintsman2000 on Apr 8, 2024 13:38:51 GMT
The problem I have with Noble is that he has a way of playing and just seems completely unwilling or unable to adapt and be pragmatic. to be honest thats what i love about Noble, its a bit like ange postecoglu at spurs and Bielsa, a bit of do or die and for example it worked at Hemel away after a slow start we kept playing his way with a couple of minor tweaks and he went for it and we won - also Dartford away we got one down but we dont change anything and keep going for it - he has a process and comits to it - thats my one criticism of Meakes who personally i don't mind but he doesnt stick with a plan and hes been changing way too much. But i do agree with the fact Noble went to the wrong club; with his system you need time to implement it and need to do so at a safe and comfortable club so he should of waited for a mid table and full time national league team.
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Apr 8, 2024 16:21:20 GMT
Post by bob666 on Apr 8, 2024 16:21:20 GMT
The problem I have with Noble is that he has a way of playing and just seems completely unwilling or unable to adapt and be pragmatic. to be honest thats what i love about Noble, its a bit like ange postecoglu at spurs and Bielsa, a bit of do or die and for example it worked at Hemel away after a slow start we kept playing his way with a couple of minor tweaks and he went for it and we won - also Dartford away we got one down but we dont change anything and keep going for it - he has a process and comits to it - thats my one criticism of Meakes who personally i don't mind but he doesnt stick with a plan and hes been changing way too much. But i do agree with the fact Noble went to the wrong club; with his system you need time to implement it and need to do so at a safe and comfortable club so he should of waited for a mid table and full time national league team. They were mid table when he went in! I don't think that uncompromising approach works unless you the resource to reshape squad to play it. Pep Guardiola is a great manager but not sure about all the ersatz copies he has inspired.
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Apr 8, 2024 18:12:38 GMT
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Post by cityfan on Apr 8, 2024 18:12:38 GMT
The problem I have with Noble is that he has a way of playing and just seems completely unwilling or unable to adapt and be pragmatic. to be honest thats what i love about Noble, its a bit like ange postecoglu at spurs and Bielsa, a bit of do or die and for example it worked at Hemel away after a slow start we kept playing his way with a couple of minor tweaks and he went for it and we won - also Dartford away we got one down but we dont change anything and keep going for it - he has a process and comits to it - thats my one criticism of Meakes who personally i don't mind but he doesnt stick with a plan and hes been changing way too much. But i do agree with the fact Noble went to the wrong club; with his system you need time to implement it and need to do so at a safe and comfortable club so he should of waited for a mid table and full time national league team. Not sure he quite has the charisma of Postecoglu - their interviews are somewhat different in style!! The ‘tweak’ at Hemel was the introducing of Jeffers who’d inexplicably been left on the bench. Stubbornness is a trait I’m sure you need to a point as a manager but so is common sense, there was plenty of times it felt like Nobby only had one of those! It’ll be interesting to see where he ends up next, maybe down the road at Hemel who’ve also been linked with another former management team of ours recently!
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Apr 9, 2024 7:10:43 GMT
Post by EFMTFTV on Apr 9, 2024 7:10:43 GMT
If Meakes doesn't pick up any points in the next 3 games then I can see Nobby back at the helm, LL loves him
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Apr 9, 2024 15:40:52 GMT
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Post by sideshowbob on Apr 9, 2024 15:40:52 GMT
I hope not, we need to move forward not backwards.
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Apr 9, 2024 15:56:49 GMT
Post by nat on Apr 9, 2024 15:56:49 GMT
I hope not, we need to move forward not backwards. or sideways
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Apr 9, 2024 21:59:36 GMT
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Post by sideshowbob on Apr 9, 2024 21:59:36 GMT
Very droll!
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Apr 9, 2024 22:46:54 GMT
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Post by lagerman on Apr 9, 2024 22:46:54 GMT
If Meakes doesn't pick up any points in the next 3 games then I can see Nobby back at the helm, LL loves him Well, after Bath's win at Hampton tonite, l definately can't see us sneaking into that last play off spot now, even thou its mathematically possible still, but we could've done with Hampton winning that game against Bath. So, Meakes, if he is still with us next season, will still be managing at this level next season. But as far as our owners go, how much are they going to be bothered by us missing the play offs, just how much do they want to go up ? Enough to get rid of Meakes if we do blow it ? Personally, l think they'll just be content with us having another season at this level
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Apr 10, 2024 13:43:24 GMT
Post by bob666 on Apr 10, 2024 13:43:24 GMT
If Meakes doesn't pick up any points in the next 3 games then I can see Nobby back at the helm, LL loves him Well, after Bath's win at Hampton tonite, l definately can't see us sneaking into that last play off spot now, even thou its mathematically possible still, but we could've done with Hampton winning that game against Bath. So, Meakes, if he is still with us next season, will still be managing at this level next season. But as far as our owners go, how much are they going to be bothered by us missing the play offs, just how much do they want to go up ? Enough to get rid of Meakes if we do blow it ? Personally, l think they'll just be content with us having another season at this level I don't disagree with any of that and I personally have no great desire to see us change manager. It's just we only picked up 1 point in our last 5 league games. Even if we no great aspirations to go up, finsihing on a 8 game winless run is not something that can be ignored and just think Meakes needs a win before the end of the season, not to challange for playoffs, but to end the negative momentum
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