Promotion & relegation to & from National South

[middxsaint]

Played,GD, Pts, Max points

44 -13 56 62 Hartlepool United
44 -7 55 61 Maidenhead United
44 6 54 60 Dagenham & Redbridge
43 -13 53 62 Eastleigh
43 -5 52 61 AFC Fylde
44 -7 52 58 Woking
43 -13 52 61 Ebbsfleet United
44 -15 50 56 York City
42 -15 47 59 Wealdstone
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43 -17 47 56 Boreham Wood
44 -15 46 52 Kidderminster Harriers
43 -28 44 53 Dorking Wanderers
43 -37 32 41 Oxford City - Relegated


42 30 86 98 Yeovil Town - One more point to guarantee champions and promotion
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44 30 80 86 Chelmsford City - play-off
44 18 80 86 Maidstone United - play-off
44 28 78 84 Worthing - play-off
44 22 78 84 Braintree Town - play-off
43 19 70 76 Bath City 
43 8 69 78 Hampton & Richmond Borough
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44 4 67 73 Aveley - Still chance of a playoff place
43 7 66 75 Farnborough - Still chance of a playoff place
43 11 64 73 St Albans City - Still chance of a playoff place
42 7 61 70 Slough Town (+3) - Still chance of a playoff place
43 5 61 70 Chippenham Town - Still chance of a playoff place
44 2 57 63 Tonbridge Angels
42 -6 55 67 Weston-super-Mare
44 -15 52 58 Welling United
42 -6 51 63 Weymouth
44 -15 49 55 Hemel Hempstead Town - could go down
43 -8 48 57 Torquay United (-10) - could go down
41 -9 48 63 Truro City - could go down
43 -25 45 54 Eastbourne Borough - could go down
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44 -18 43 49 Dartford
41 -22 42 57 Taunton Town 
44 -34 37 43 Havant & Waterlooville - relegated
43 -33 27 36 Dover Athletic - relegated


38 61 91 103 Hornchurch - champions - promoted
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39 26 75 84 Chatham Town - play-off place
38 23 70 82 Enfield Town
39 13 70 79 Wingate & Finchley
37 10 67 82 Horsham
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39 22 64 73 Billericay Town - Still chance of a playoff place
38 19 63 75 Hastings United - Still chance of a playoff place
39 18 61 70 Carshalton Athletic - Still chance of a playoff place
39 9 58 67 Hashtag United - Still chance of a playoff place
39 7 58 67 Dulwich Hamlet - Still chance of a playoff place
38 -9 55 67 Lewes - Still chance of a playoff place


39 42 90 99 Chesham United - champions - promoted
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39 31 74 83 Gosport Borough - play-off place
38 36 72 84 AFC Totton - play-off place
38 21 70 82 Salisbury
38 24 63 75 Merthyr Town
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39 10 61 70 Bracknell Town - Still chance of a playoff place
39 7 58 67 Walton & Hersham - Still chance of a playoff place
39 6 58 67 Hungerford Town - Still chance of a playoff place
38 -8 54 66 Dorchester Town - Still chance of a playoff place
38 4 52 64 Hendon - Still chance of a playoff place
37 0 51 66 Winchester City - Still chance of a playoff place
34 -1 42 66 Plymouth Parkway - Still chance of a playoff place

[middxsaint]

Played, points, max points

44 56 62 Hartlepool United
44 55 61 AFC Fylde
44 55 61 Maidenhead United
44 54 60 Dagenham & Redbridge
43 53 62 Eastleigh
44 52 58 Woking
43 52 61 Ebbsfleet United
43 50 59 Wealdstone
44 50 56 York City
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43 47 56 Boreham Wood
44 46 52 Kidderminster Harriers
44 44 50 Dorking Wanderers
43 32 41 Oxford City - relegated


43 89 98 Yeovil Town - champions - promoted
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44 80 86 Chelmsford City - play-off place
44 80 86 Maidstone United - play-off place
44 78 84 Worthing - play-off place
44 78 84 Braintree Town - play-off place
43 70 76 Bath City
44 69 75 Farnborough
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43 69 78 Hampton & Richmond Borough
44 67 73 Aveley
43 64 70 Slough Town (+3)
43 64 73 St Albans City
44 61 67 Chippenham Town
44 57 63 Tonbridge Angels
42 55 67 Weston-super-Mare
44 52 58 Welling United
42 51 63 Weymouth
44 49 55 Hemel Hempstead Town
43 48 57 Torquay United (-10)
42 48 60 Truro City
43 45 54 Eastbourne Borough
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44 43 49 Dartford
42 42 54 Taunton Town
44 37 43 Havant & Waterlooville - relegated
43 27 36 Dover Athletic - relegated


L
38 91 103 Hornchurch - champions, promoted
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39 75 84 Chatham Town
38 70 82 Enfield Town
39 70 79 Wingate & Finchley
37 67 82 Horsham
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39 64 73 Billericay Town
38 63 75 Hastings United
39 61 70 Carshalton Athletic
39 58 67 Hashtag United
39 58 67 Dulwich Hamlet
38 55 67 Lewes
37 52 67 Whitehawk

L
39 90 99 Chesham United - champions, promoted
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39 74 83 Gosport Borough
39 73 82 Salisbury
38 72 84 AFC Totton
38 63 75 Merthyr Town
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39 61 70 Bracknell Town
39 58 67 Walton & Hersham
39 58 67 Hungerford Town
38 54 66 Dorchester Town
38 52 64 Hendon
37 51 66 Winchester City
35 42 63 Plymouth Parkway

[middxsaint]

Played, points, max points
44 56 62 Eastleigh
45 55 58 Dagenham & Redbridge
45 55 58 AFC Fylde
44 53 59 Wealdstone
45 53 56 York City
45 52 55 Woking
44 52 58 Ebbsfleet United
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44 50 56 Boreham Wood
45 46 49 Kidderminster Harriers - relegated (North)
45 45 48 Dorking Wanderers - relegated (south)
44 33 39 Oxford City - relegated (north unless York City or AFC Flyde relegated)

44 92 98 Yeovil Town - champions
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45 83 86 Chelmsford City - playoff
45 81 84 Worthing - playoff
45 81 84 Braintree Town - playoff
45 80 83 Maidstone United - playoff
44 73 76 Bath City
44 72 78 Hampton & Richmond Borough
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45 70 73 Aveley - still chance of playoff
45 69 72 Farnborough - still chance of playoff
44 67 70 Slough Town (+3)
44 64 70 St Albans City
45 61 64 Chippenham Town
45 57 60 Tonbridge Angels
43 55 64 Weston-super-Mare
45 53 56 Welling United
43 52 61 Weymouth
43 51 60 Truro City
45 49 52 Hemel Hempstead Town
44 48 54 Torquay United (-10)
44 48 54 Eastbourne Borough
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43 45 54 Taunton Town
45 43 46 Dartford - relegated
45 37 40 Havant & Waterlooville - relegated
44 27 33 Dover Athletic - relegated

39 94 103 Hornchurch - champions
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40 78 84 Chatham Town - playoff
39 73 82 Enfield Town
40 73 79 Wingate & Finchley
38 70 82 Horsham
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40 67 73 Billericay Town - still chance of playoff
39 63 72 Hastings United - still chance of playoff

40 90 96 Chesham United - champions
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40 74 80 Gosport Borough - playoff
40 73 79 Salisbury - playoff
39 72 81 AFC Totton - playoff
39 64 73 Merthyr Town
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40 64 70 Bracknell Town - still chance of playoff
40 61 67 Walton & Hersham - still chance of playoff
40 61 67 Hungerford Town - still chance of playoff

[EFMTFTV]

If Torquay, Eastbourne and Taunton win their midweek games (Taunton have 2, one v Torquay) it'll mean the final day would see a relegation showdown, loser loses all, clash between Taunton and Hemel

[slaggs]

Why is it assumed Oxford City will be placed in NL North? They came from NL South. Geographically their ground is more southerly than Clarence Park. All of the teams that could achieve promotion from the Isthmian League and Southern League Premier have grounds that are south of Clarence Park. If geographic location is the only determinate of which league you play in our salvation would appear to rest with either York City or Fylde being relegated from the NL. I'm not holding my breath.

[saint68]

Apr 16, 2024 0:36:17 GMT slaggs said:

Why is it assumed Oxford City will be placed in NL North? They came from NL South. Geographically their ground is more southerly than Clarence Park. All of the teams that could achieve promotion from the Isthmian League and Southern League Premier have grounds that are south of Clarence Park. If geographic location is the only determinate of which league you play in our salvation would appear to rest with either York City or Fylde being relegated from the NL. I'm not holding my breath.

Hi, welcome to the Fun Factory!

The reason we’re assuming Oxford City will go to National League North is because they’ve been put there before. You’re right that it’s not a done deal but it’s a reasonable assumption. We’ll just have to wait and see.

[boojiboy]

I’m pretty sure that Oxford City’s ground is further north then CP.

[Boomer]

Oxford City, Braintree Town, Gloucester City and Bishop's Stortford are all further north than CP. As far as I am aware, though, that is not the only deciding factor. Road and motorway access etc apparently come into play, which would then put Hemel Hempstead in the frame ahead of us.

[porkypig]

We could be put in it as we have good road links to the M60.

[minty]

It is very close.

Oxford 51.7520° N
St.Albans 51.7527° N
Braintree 51.8801° N

That is not the centre circle of the grounds though. Just the city centres I guess.

[middxsaint]

Torquay United now deducted 11 points. Down to 20th and just 2 points above Taunton Town having played a game more.

[Boomer]

Apr 16, 2024 12:00:18 GMT minty said:

It is very close.

Oxford 51.7520° N
St.Albans 51.7527° N
Braintree 51.8801° N

That is not the centre circle of the grounds though. Just the city centres I guess.

Ground latitudes are -

Braintree Town 51.875°N
Bishop's Stortford 51.873°N
Gloucester City 51.861°N
Oxford City 51.779°N
Hemel Hempstead Town 51.754°N
St. Albans City 51.754°N
Chelmsford City 51.751°N

[porkypig]

I think bishops stortford won't bother trying to get promotion again, in case they are put in the north division. As for us I think it's unlikely. Economic suicide for any club being transferred to it. But let's face it, it's all run by a bunch of twats!who care nothing for the clubs.

[lagerman]

Apr 16, 2024 16:27:18 GMT porkypig said:

I think bishops stortford won't bother trying to get promotion again, in case they are put in the north division. As for us I think it's unlikely. Economic suicide for any club being transferred to it. But let's face it, it's all run by a bunch of twats!who care nothing for the clubs.

Well, if York come down, l think it makes things easier, in as far as relegation from the National League goes. Oxford City & Dorking Wanderers will come down to National South and York City & Kidderminster Harriers will come down to National North

[lagerman]

Apr 16, 2024 16:27:18 GMT porkypig said:

I think bishops stortford won't bother trying to get promotion again, in case they are put in the north division. As for us I think it's unlikely. Economic suicide for any club being transferred to it. But let's face it, it's all run by a bunch of twats!who care nothing for the clubs.

This is why a National League Midlands is needed, but it's not going to happen, as it's just, logistically, too difficult to engineer.
Too much would have to be changed to accommodate it

[porkypig]

I totally agree with you. Midland division needed now, not in three years time.

[Boomer]

Apr 16, 2024 17:27:02 GMT porkypig said:

I totally agree with you. Midland division needed now, not in three years time.

So how is that going to work, with 4 teams coming down from the National League and teams from 3 divisions replacing them (no doubt the National League would love to only have 3 relegation places instead of 4)?
I am surmising that the only answer would be for the top of the North, Midlands and South divisions to be promoted plus 1 other. To allow for 1 further team to be promoted, you would need to have a play off situation between the 3 divisions, which can never work (with the odd number of divisions). The only way is for the 4th promotion place to go the team with the best playing record out of the 3 divisions.

It all seems very messy. Don't see it ever happening.

[middxsaint]

Played, Points, Max Points
45 53 56 Wealdstone - need to avoid losing by more than one goal on Saturday to guarantee staying up.
45 53 56 York City
45 53 56 Ebbsfleet United
45 52 55 Woking
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45 51 54 Boreham Wood
45 46 49 Kidderminster Harriers - relegated
45 45 48 Dorking Wanderers - relegated
45 33 36 Oxford City - relegated



44 92 95 Yeovil Town - champions
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45 83 86 Chelmsford City - playoff
45 81 84 Worthing - playoff
45 81 84 Braintree Town - playoff
45 80 83 Maidstone United - playoff
44 73 76 Bath City
45 72 75 Hampton & Richmond Borough
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45 70 73 Aveley - still chance of playoff
45 69 72 Farnborough - still chance of playoff
44 67 70 Slough Town (+3)
45 67 70 St Albans City
45 61 64 Chippenham Town
45 57 60 Tonbridge Angels
44 56 62 Weston-super-Mare
43 55 61 Weymouth (+3)
44 54 60 Truro City
45 53 56 Welling United
45 50 53 Torquay United (-11) - could still be relegated
45 49 52 Hemel Hempstead Town - could still be relegated
45 49 52 Eastbourne Borough - could still be relegated
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44 45 51 Taunton Town
45 43 46 Dartford - relegated
45 37 40 Havant & Waterlooville - relegated
45 27 30 Dover Athletic - relegated



40 94 100 Hornchurch - champions
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40 78 84 Chatham Town - playoff
39 73 82 Enfield Town
40 73 79 Wingate & Finchley
39 70 79 Horsham
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40 67 73 Billericay Town
39 63 72 Hastings United



40 90 96 Chesham United - champions
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40 74 80 Gosport Borough - playoff
40 73 79 Salisbury - playoff
39 72 81 AFC Totton - playoff
40 64 70 Merthyr Town
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40 64 70 Bracknell Town - still chance of playoff
40 61 67 Walton & Hersham - still chance of playoff
40 61 67 Hungerford Town - still chance of playoff
40 60 66 Dorchester Town - still chance of playoff

[lagerman]

So if Hemel get relegated, which is possible, who will we get over Christmas and the New Year next Season l wonder ?
I suppose it'd be Boring Wood if they get relegated ?
Ahhh all ifs and buts at the mo

[lagerman]

Looks interesting for the last Play Off spot, Farnborough could yet creep into it on Goal difference!!
If Hampton lose at Maidstone, they could yet blow it and if they do lose at Maidstone and results go against them elsewhere, they'll be gutted, blowing it on the last 2 games of their Season !!
But of course, it's still all ifs and buts

[jj123]

Apr 17, 2024 21:40:18 GMT lagerman said:

So if Hemel get relegated, which is possible, who will we get over Christmas and the New Year next Season l wonder ?
I suppose it'd be Boring Wood if they get relegated ?
Ahhh all ifs and buts at the mo

Wood or Oxford City if we’re moved to the North.

[middxsaint]

Taunton Town now fourth side relegated.

Played, points, max points
44 92 95 Yeovil Town
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45 83 86 Chelmsford City
45 81 84 Worthing
45 81 84 Braintree Town
45 80 83 Maidstone United
44 73 76 Bath City
45 72 75 Hampton & Richmond Borough
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45 70 73 Aveley
45 69 72 Farnborough
44 67 70 Slough Town (+3)
45 67 70 St Albans City
45 61 64 Chippenham Town
45 59 62 Weston-super-Mare
45 57 60 Tonbridge Angels
44 56 59 Weymouth (+3)
45 55 58 Truro City
45 53 56 Welling United
45 50 53 Torquay United (-11)
45 49 52 Hemel Hempstead Town
45 49 52 Eastbourne Borough
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45 45 48 Taunton Town
45 43 46 Dartford
45 37 40 Havant & Waterlooville
45 27 30 Dover Athletic

[hotsaint]

I would never have had Dartford or Havant to go down this season or Dulwich last season. Shows what I know

[middxsaint]

Final placings in the National....

GD, Points
-12 56 Wealdstone
-6 55 Woking
-8 55 AFC Fylde
-15 54 Ebbsfleet United
-14 53 York City
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-14 52 Boreham Wood
-19 46 Kidderminster Harriers
-31 45 Dorking Wanderers
-40 33 Oxford City

[middxsaint]

When we were 1-0 up and Farnborough were drawing, we were in 9th place. Ended up 11th.

GD, Points
36 95 Yeovil Town
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33 84 Chelmsford City
32 84 Worthing
20 83 Maidstone United
22 81 Braintree Town
18 73 Bath City
7 73 Aveley
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9 72 Farnborough
4 72 Hampton & Richmond Borough
12 68 Slough Town (+3)
10 68 St Albans City
0 62 Chippenham Town
-8 59 Weston-super-Mare
-1 58 Tonbridge Angels
-7 56 Weymouth (+3)
-9 55 Truro City
-15 54 Welling United
-3 53 Torquay United (-11)
-21 52 Eastbourne Borough
-16 50 Hemel Hempstead Town
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-19 46 Dartford
-27 46 Taunton Town
-40 37 Havant & Waterlooville
-37 27 Dover Athletic

Playoffs
Maidstone Utd v Aveley
Braintree Town v Bath City

[middxsaint]

Played, points, max points

41 97 100 Hornchurch - champions
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41 78 81 Chatham Town - playoff
40 76 82 Enfield Town - playoff
41 73 76 Wingate & Finchley - playoff
40 73 79 Horsham - playoff
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41 70 73 Billericay Town


41 90 93 Chesham United - champions
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41 76 79 Salisbury - playoff
40 75 81 AFC Totton - playoff
41 75 78 Gosport Borough - playoff
41 67 70 Bracknell Town - one more point from final game home to Hayes & Yeading Utd to guarantee playoff place. H&YU need win to try and avoid relegation
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41 64 67 Merthyr Town - Home to relegated Harrow Borough in final game. Have to win to have any chance of playoff place.

[middxsaint]

23/4/24 Braintree Town 1 Bath City 0 AET
24/4/24 Maidstone United 2 Aveley 1

27/4/24 Chelmsford City 2 Braintree Town 3
28/4/24 Worthing 2 Maidstone United 1

Played, GD, Pts, Max Points
41 60 97 100 Hornchurch
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41 26 78 81 Chatham Town
41 27 76 79 Enfield Town
41 13 73 76 Wingate & Finchley
41 12 73 76 Horsham
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41 24 70 73 Billericay Town

41 39 90 93 Chesham United
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41 40 78 81 AFC Totton
41 22 76 79 Salisbury
41 30 75 78 Gosport Borough
41 13 67 70 Bracknell Town
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41 20 64 67 Merthyr Town

[middxsaint]

Played, points
42 100 Hornchurch - promoted
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42 79 Chatham Town - play off
42 77 Enfield Town - play off
42 76 Wingate & Finchley - play off
42 76 Horsham - play off

42 90 Chesham United - champions
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42 81 AFC Totton - play off
42 79 Salisbury - play off
42 78 Gosport Borough - play off
42 68 Bracknell Town - play off

[middxsaint]

Worthing or Braintree to be promoted.

[sideshowbob]

either worthing or braintree, will finish bottom. no chance of staying up