Post by Boomer on Jun 21, 2010 23:42:24 GMT
BBC – Phil McNulty: Capello restores England control
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/06/england_bid_to_restore_calm.html?page=1#comments
Some very interesting stuff on here, particularly item 8 by tipota and items 27 and 32. Capello is the manager of this team (not Terry, who is not even the captain) and, ok, maybe he doesn't get everything right but it is Capello that got us to SA in the first place. I can just imagine Alex Ferguson putting up with Terry's claptrap. For what it's worth I think his best option on Wednesday is to play 4-1-4-1 (4-5-1), with Barry in front of the back 4, Milner (if he has recovered from his virus) wide right, Joe Cole wide left and Crouch and Gerrard supporting Rooney in the lone striker role. I would drop Lennon and Lampard and use Defoe on the sub's bench. Oh and I would also put Wright-Phillips on the first plane home, the amount of use he is.
Plenty to discuss here then!
8. At 8:52pm on 21 Jun 2010, tipota wrote:
Sorry, I don't buy it, Terry and his personal advisers have already ousted 2 managers from Chelsea and are now in danger of taking control of England. Capello is the boss, full stop, If the players do not want to play for him, they can go home. Player power has become far too large and is grossly over-rated. I feel sorry for these poor players who must spend 4 to 6 weeks of their life 'cooped up in hotels" with nothing to do. I travel, a lot, and spend many nights away from family and friends, with no one else around in maximum 3 star hotels. So, I find it very hard to understand the feelings of these pampered babies. As the French players have said, somethings belong in the dressing room, so why is Terry allowed to air the dirty washing? I can not for one minute understand why John terry was the man to be the one to talk on Sunday, other than it coincided with the FA leaking stories about Capello packing it in, if we lost against Slovenia. This is propaganda on a large scale and why our glorious press do not see through it, I do not understand. Although they probably do, but the old school boy club that is the FA and England reporters do not want to upset one another The association between the London players, the press and the FA has long been a theme worth discussing, maybe it is worth it again. But since most of the sycophantic press are involved, we never get that discussion. This whole thing now stinks of claim, counter claim and subterfuge, so that regardless of the result on Wednesday the only loser, again, is English football. Capello will eventually move on, forced out by the FA bigwigs and player pressure and England will be subjected to yet another false start, with another new manager and no continuity.
27. At 9:09pm on 21 Jun 2010, EnglishScot wrote:
I'm Scottish-born; however my family are English, and I support England in every game they play (except against Scotland, naturally). so I feel I can look at this with at least some of the objectivity missing from my fellow posters, yet with some of the passion for the England side lacking in the views of posters who have no connection to the English National Side. Firstly, looking at the players, they actually looked scared - whether this is because of the headmasterly persona of Capello and they are scared of a caning, or the immense pressure on them to do well (natural after we enjoyed such a wonderful qualifying campaign), is hard to tell - perhaps it is a combination of both of these things. Firstly, Rooney is obviously not 100% fit; incidentally I think he was quite right to criticize the fans booing the team off the park - after such an amazing qualifying campaign, he, along with his team-mates, are obviously deeply frustrated at their inability to thus far reproduce some of the wonderful football played during our route to South Africa. After such an amazing season for Man Utd, the hopes of a nation are placed on his young shoulders, and his inability to reproduce that form is obviously deeply personally frustrating, which manifested itself in his outburst, which if anything shows his passion; so much pressure, by fans and media alike, has been placed on this young mans shoulders. The middle of a World Cup campaign is not the time to start fighting among ourselves - we have a game still to play, against a game we should not underestimate but should beat - if we can't, then quite frankly we don't deserve to be at the World Cup - however, I sense that we can pull it out of the bag on Wednesday - a good victory, 2 or 3 goals, and the 4 points dropped in the first 2 games will be forgotten - much comparison has been made with our predicament going into the final game at Italia 90 against Poland, a tournament where we went on to reach the semis. Some teams start slowly at tournaments, and we have made a rod for our own back in performing so well during qualification; expecting to beat the USA and Algeria 3 or 4 nil is simply unrealistic. All that matters now is the game on Wednesday - our destiny is still in our own hands, and a positive result could, in my opinion, spur us on to greater things. One thing which has always bothered me about the England team, and British teams in general, is our lack of basic technical ability. I don't know how many times during Brazil's last game I witnessed players chesting the ball down straight to feet, and performing what should be rudimentary technical skills such as the ability to control a ball while running at speed, accurate passing, the ability to switch play in an instant. Yet even without the technical skill of some sides - which, to take an example from qualification, Croatia seem leaps and bounds ahead of us - we managed to hammer teams, including a technically superior Croatia side home and away. I don't even wish to comment on Phil’s interpretation of JT's press conference, although I do wonder if there is some split in the camp which emanates from his dismissal as captain. It should have been Gerrard out there facing the media; instead we get Terry, who still appears to be captain in all but name - perhaps the fact he lost the captains armband for non-footballing reasons rankles with certain members of the squad. One good win on Wednesday and our campaign could be turned upside down - having seen the likes of Brazil and Portugal play some beautiful football I would not be confident of us coming home from the cup, but I simply cannot see us being eliminated in the first round. Perhaps the media and fans should try getting behind the team, even after a mediocre performance - the players need to know that the fans are behind them, in South Africa and back here in the UK; maybe they don't deserve such backing following the performances such far - but should we blow the opposition away in the final game, I'm sure the whole country will be right behind them. Good sides don't suddenly become bad - the players are under immense pressure, with the hopes and dreams of millions resting on their shoulders. Should they get through this group, the nation will get behind the team......and anything can happen after that.
32. At 9:15pm on 21 Jun 2010, 2nd Yellow wrote:
There's a lot of nonsense in the media supporting Terry for his honesty and forthrightness. Could it be that he's after a ghostwriter in the autumn? I have already written a blog post on this, so suffice it to say that if this were Manchester United, Terry would already be on the transfer list, or worse, for what he did. Remember Roy Keane's departure? One of football's unwritten rules is that certain things stay within the dressing room. That code has been violated in a blatant power grab by a man who feels he is entitled to be captain - "I was born to do this sort of thing" is what I believe he said yesterday. I hope that for the good of the team that Capello is given the leeway to deal with Terry after the World Cup, and ensure he never plays at international level again. And if the players are bored, to quote JT, so what? They're not there for a picnic or a nice time, there getting the chance to play in a tournament that most of us would give up a limb for, and all they can do is moan about being bored. They should grow up and get on with it. Had they taken the chance to visit Robben Island, they might have learnt a thing or two about what being isolated and shut away really is.
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/06/england_bid_to_restore_calm.html?page=1#comments
Some very interesting stuff on here, particularly item 8 by tipota and items 27 and 32. Capello is the manager of this team (not Terry, who is not even the captain) and, ok, maybe he doesn't get everything right but it is Capello that got us to SA in the first place. I can just imagine Alex Ferguson putting up with Terry's claptrap. For what it's worth I think his best option on Wednesday is to play 4-1-4-1 (4-5-1), with Barry in front of the back 4, Milner (if he has recovered from his virus) wide right, Joe Cole wide left and Crouch and Gerrard supporting Rooney in the lone striker role. I would drop Lennon and Lampard and use Defoe on the sub's bench. Oh and I would also put Wright-Phillips on the first plane home, the amount of use he is.
Plenty to discuss here then!
8. At 8:52pm on 21 Jun 2010, tipota wrote:
Sorry, I don't buy it, Terry and his personal advisers have already ousted 2 managers from Chelsea and are now in danger of taking control of England. Capello is the boss, full stop, If the players do not want to play for him, they can go home. Player power has become far too large and is grossly over-rated. I feel sorry for these poor players who must spend 4 to 6 weeks of their life 'cooped up in hotels" with nothing to do. I travel, a lot, and spend many nights away from family and friends, with no one else around in maximum 3 star hotels. So, I find it very hard to understand the feelings of these pampered babies. As the French players have said, somethings belong in the dressing room, so why is Terry allowed to air the dirty washing? I can not for one minute understand why John terry was the man to be the one to talk on Sunday, other than it coincided with the FA leaking stories about Capello packing it in, if we lost against Slovenia. This is propaganda on a large scale and why our glorious press do not see through it, I do not understand. Although they probably do, but the old school boy club that is the FA and England reporters do not want to upset one another The association between the London players, the press and the FA has long been a theme worth discussing, maybe it is worth it again. But since most of the sycophantic press are involved, we never get that discussion. This whole thing now stinks of claim, counter claim and subterfuge, so that regardless of the result on Wednesday the only loser, again, is English football. Capello will eventually move on, forced out by the FA bigwigs and player pressure and England will be subjected to yet another false start, with another new manager and no continuity.
27. At 9:09pm on 21 Jun 2010, EnglishScot wrote:
I'm Scottish-born; however my family are English, and I support England in every game they play (except against Scotland, naturally). so I feel I can look at this with at least some of the objectivity missing from my fellow posters, yet with some of the passion for the England side lacking in the views of posters who have no connection to the English National Side. Firstly, looking at the players, they actually looked scared - whether this is because of the headmasterly persona of Capello and they are scared of a caning, or the immense pressure on them to do well (natural after we enjoyed such a wonderful qualifying campaign), is hard to tell - perhaps it is a combination of both of these things. Firstly, Rooney is obviously not 100% fit; incidentally I think he was quite right to criticize the fans booing the team off the park - after such an amazing qualifying campaign, he, along with his team-mates, are obviously deeply frustrated at their inability to thus far reproduce some of the wonderful football played during our route to South Africa. After such an amazing season for Man Utd, the hopes of a nation are placed on his young shoulders, and his inability to reproduce that form is obviously deeply personally frustrating, which manifested itself in his outburst, which if anything shows his passion; so much pressure, by fans and media alike, has been placed on this young mans shoulders. The middle of a World Cup campaign is not the time to start fighting among ourselves - we have a game still to play, against a game we should not underestimate but should beat - if we can't, then quite frankly we don't deserve to be at the World Cup - however, I sense that we can pull it out of the bag on Wednesday - a good victory, 2 or 3 goals, and the 4 points dropped in the first 2 games will be forgotten - much comparison has been made with our predicament going into the final game at Italia 90 against Poland, a tournament where we went on to reach the semis. Some teams start slowly at tournaments, and we have made a rod for our own back in performing so well during qualification; expecting to beat the USA and Algeria 3 or 4 nil is simply unrealistic. All that matters now is the game on Wednesday - our destiny is still in our own hands, and a positive result could, in my opinion, spur us on to greater things. One thing which has always bothered me about the England team, and British teams in general, is our lack of basic technical ability. I don't know how many times during Brazil's last game I witnessed players chesting the ball down straight to feet, and performing what should be rudimentary technical skills such as the ability to control a ball while running at speed, accurate passing, the ability to switch play in an instant. Yet even without the technical skill of some sides - which, to take an example from qualification, Croatia seem leaps and bounds ahead of us - we managed to hammer teams, including a technically superior Croatia side home and away. I don't even wish to comment on Phil’s interpretation of JT's press conference, although I do wonder if there is some split in the camp which emanates from his dismissal as captain. It should have been Gerrard out there facing the media; instead we get Terry, who still appears to be captain in all but name - perhaps the fact he lost the captains armband for non-footballing reasons rankles with certain members of the squad. One good win on Wednesday and our campaign could be turned upside down - having seen the likes of Brazil and Portugal play some beautiful football I would not be confident of us coming home from the cup, but I simply cannot see us being eliminated in the first round. Perhaps the media and fans should try getting behind the team, even after a mediocre performance - the players need to know that the fans are behind them, in South Africa and back here in the UK; maybe they don't deserve such backing following the performances such far - but should we blow the opposition away in the final game, I'm sure the whole country will be right behind them. Good sides don't suddenly become bad - the players are under immense pressure, with the hopes and dreams of millions resting on their shoulders. Should they get through this group, the nation will get behind the team......and anything can happen after that.
32. At 9:15pm on 21 Jun 2010, 2nd Yellow wrote:
There's a lot of nonsense in the media supporting Terry for his honesty and forthrightness. Could it be that he's after a ghostwriter in the autumn? I have already written a blog post on this, so suffice it to say that if this were Manchester United, Terry would already be on the transfer list, or worse, for what he did. Remember Roy Keane's departure? One of football's unwritten rules is that certain things stay within the dressing room. That code has been violated in a blatant power grab by a man who feels he is entitled to be captain - "I was born to do this sort of thing" is what I believe he said yesterday. I hope that for the good of the team that Capello is given the leeway to deal with Terry after the World Cup, and ensure he never plays at international level again. And if the players are bored, to quote JT, so what? They're not there for a picnic or a nice time, there getting the chance to play in a tournament that most of us would give up a limb for, and all they can do is moan about being bored. They should grow up and get on with it. Had they taken the chance to visit Robben Island, they might have learnt a thing or two about what being isolated and shut away really is.
