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Post by EFMTFTV on Nov 30, 2015 18:59:37 GMT
Re: Paul Fairclough, I understand he has been offered the job but turned it down
My ideal choice would be the Oxford City manager but sounds like he is part of the furniture there (and we'd probably need half their team as well)
Third time luck for John Mitchell? Allan Cockram to return with unfinished business, we'd certainly be entertained with him
Personally I think we need to look at someone who is in charge of a team 'batting above their weight', like when we took Garry Hill from Heybridge Swifts
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Post by casper on Dec 1, 2015 22:55:49 GMT
On budget (my final words on the topic now...!), yes we have one of the lowest but there are several clubs on similar budgets. Our budget means it would be very difficult to promoted from this league but shouldn't mean we have to drop out of the league ie we should be able to compete and (like last season) battle well mid-table. And teams like Margate are misfiring even with significant funding as Ebbsfleet did last season. But we have actually - with a little extra Boost - put together a decent squad of players (albeit some still yet to convince me of their quality) who I believe are capable of becoming a team that can compete in this league. Key is going to be who can now come in and make that work ie the point of this thread where we have made suggestions of who we think might apply/be considered for the job. One thing we do have in our favour is the location of the club, with easy access from London via train, the M25 and access further north via the M1 / A1(M). Some players may be able to get more money elsewhere but is that at the expense of greater travelling time ? Reading this article about Margate who are having problems attracting loan players, partly because of their location, even though they train in South London and only travel to Margate for games. www.thanetgazette.co.uk/Terry-Brown-reveals-struggles-Margate-loan-bid/story-28274843-detail/story.html
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Post by PaperSaint on Dec 2, 2015 6:33:04 GMT
Absolutely casper - that can help with players and managers...
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Post by casper on Dec 3, 2015 13:17:58 GMT
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Post by Canary Saint on Dec 3, 2015 16:04:14 GMT
Countless? That's awesome! I take that to mean there have been several trillion applications.
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Post by yellowalf on Dec 3, 2015 16:44:48 GMT
Personally speaking I think that's a telling comment by Lawrence Levy: Speaking after the 5-0 Herts Senior Cup success over Oxhey Jets, he said: “I made a couple of calls to people I know in the industry for advice but we’ve had countless applications. “It’s the first time I’ve been involved in the recruiting myself and I had no idea of the number of applications we’d get through. I thought we would have to advertise.”For the self-styled recruitment expert to be so naive of the football management market is worrying.
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Post by Boomer on Dec 3, 2015 19:14:04 GMT
Personally speaking I think that's a telling comment by Lawrence Levy: Speaking after the 5-0 Herts Senior Cup success over Oxhey Jets, he said: “I made a couple of calls to people I know in the industry for advice but we’ve had countless applications. “It’s the first time I’ve been involved in the recruiting myself and I had no idea of the number of applications we’d get through. I thought we would have to advertise.”For the self-styled recruitment expert to be so naive of the football management market is worrying. What exactly do you find worrying, Alf? The fact that he has made a couple of calls for advice (on certain managers, I presume) or the high number of applications, that have been received. As far as the latter is concerned, he will probably be able to discard 85-90% at the drop of a hat, anyway. Reference the former, I would have thought it eminently sensible to speak with people more knowledgeable in the football field, especially in the non league arena, if he is not personally au fait with certain of the more qualified applicants. It is imperative that the Club pick the right man for the job here, something I'm sure that Lawrence Levy is fully aware of.
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Post by yellowalf on Dec 3, 2015 21:30:56 GMT
What exactly do you find worrying, Alf? The fact that he has made a couple of calls for advice (on certain managers, I presume) or the high number of applications, that have been received. As far as the latter is concerned, he will probably be able to discard 85-90% at the drop of a hat, anyway. Reference the former, I would have thought it eminently sensible to speak with people more knowledgeable in the football field, especially in the non league arena, if he is not personally au fait with certain of the more qualified applicants. It is imperative that the Club pick the right man for the job here, something I'm sure that Lawrence Levy is fully aware of. Neither Boomer. I thought I made it clear but apologies if I didn't. His job is in recruitment, a few days ago I read his quote that "“ was involved with (the appointment of) James and Graham, with Nick at that time, and I said to Nick that you’ve got a lot of things on your plate at the moment, let me take the recruitment. That’s my job, recruitment has been my business for the last 30 years.” and yet here he is now suddenly realising that any football managerial vacancy will attract hundreds of applicants and that he won't need to advertise, which he thought he would have to do. He hasn't researched the industry effectively and seems to be winging it. Recruitment may be his business yet football manager recruitment seems completely new to him. Any manager knows that they will be sacked at some point and therefore so should club chairmen and owners. It makes logical sense to always be looking for the replacement manager even when you are happy with the current one (or two). I simply find it unbelievable that Levy has not spent hours over the past couple of years discussing what the club strategy would be to replace Gray and Golds, not to actually replace them but to fine-tune the procedure and to be aware of what abilities this club needs from their new manager. I respect him asking for advice, I hope he asks a few more people including those he doesn't know - people like Terry Brown, Alan Devonshire, Lee Harding for example, those seasoned football people who can tell him what type of manager he needs to employ and what skills they need to have. Of course there will be hundreds of applications and I would expect, like you do, that the majority can be ignored. In amongst the rest will be the manager to keep us in this Division and possibly, if we dream, get us promotion. I hope that manager is not passed over simply because Levy will apply the recruitment procedures he is familiar with through this company rather than use those procedures that will recognise the best football manager. Do we think that he would appoint someone who shares a description with Danny Cowley, a full-time teacher, or do we think he will go with someone who is self-employed and would seemingly be able to spend more time working on the squad? To clarify, I'm no advocating Cowley for us, I'm merely saying that some potential managers don't seem to to be the best option to those who aren't sure what they are looking for. We need a manager who knows this division inside out and can not only bring the right players but can motivate and create a winning team. We don't want to be taking a chance on an untried ex-player who reckons he is the next John Still. That may be a good appointment if we were established in this division and chasing for a play-off spot, however in our current predicament we need knowledge and experience more than anything else. Non-league football is a strange beast, as most Saints fans are well aware, and many a club has floundered by not recognising which prospective manager has what the club needs. I agree entirely with the first clause of your final sentence, I'm waiting to be convinced on the accuracy of the second.
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Post by Saint on Dec 8, 2015 15:03:12 GMT
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Post by gdog on Dec 9, 2015 10:03:18 GMT
I do hope it's by Thursday so new manager can have a training session and possibly a meet up with squad Saturday as no game in preparation for Tuesday although Harry has done fantastic
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Post by panionios on Dec 9, 2015 10:48:38 GMT
So far so good with Wheeler, so I'd rather they take their time.
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Post by gertchaefm on Dec 10, 2015 13:52:46 GMT
Has Jon Brady fallen through then?
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Post by Boomer on Dec 10, 2015 16:06:46 GMT
Who knows what the actual situation is currently but it certainly doesn't help when people put stuff on forums in their attempt to lift the 'na na na na na' cup. Not good.
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Post by notsorecentconvert on Dec 10, 2015 16:52:10 GMT
Again with the Official Secrets Act stuff, Boomer! Anyone would think you want the supporters to know nowt about anything until it's deemed time to let the great unwashed in on a snippet or two of information.
How exactly does it 'not help'. I can't recall a single occasion when comments on an internet forum have jeopardised the recruitment of a football manager.
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Post by gertchaefm on Dec 10, 2015 17:28:43 GMT
Who knows what the actual situation is currently but it certainly doesn't help when people put stuff on forums in their attempt to lift the 'na na na na na' cup. Not good. Didn't realise it was a secret so not sure I understand your little dig pal. I heard it a few times in the pub from different people on Saturday and someone also told me at a gig in Hatfield on Tuesday. Thought it was public knowledge.
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Post by EFMTFTV on Dec 10, 2015 17:40:17 GMT
I think plenty of people saw the pages of press releases that were accidentaly dropped down the terrace naming the new manager on Saturday Although the lack of news since then may have meant a change of heart Also, maybe he had 100 press releases with 100 names so they can be whipped out as soon as the manager is named
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Post by Boomer on Dec 10, 2015 19:54:41 GMT
Again with the Official Secrets Act stuff, Boomer! Anyone would think you want the supporters to know nowt about anything until it's deemed time to let the great unwashed in on a snippet or two of information. How exactly does it 'not help'. I can't recall a single occasion when comments on an internet forum have jeopardised the recruitment of a football manager. Tempus erit iudex.
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Post by dunstablesaint on Dec 10, 2015 20:15:44 GMT
*********hell. Latin quotes.. now I know I'm supporting a classy team!
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Post by yorkroader on Dec 11, 2015 0:51:02 GMT
EFMTFTV..."I UNDERSTAND he has been offered the job.........
Saint. "Have HEARD myself "..................
Gertchaefm. " I heard it in the pub" .........
The thread that keeps on giving.
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Post by minty on Dec 11, 2015 8:21:23 GMT
I remember the last time we needed a new manager and it was a long drawn out affair. In the end the job went to Gray and Golds. Maybe the same is about to happen again with Harry, Wheeler not Redknapp. I just wonder if all the "countless" applicants are finding it isn't the attractive position they thought it might be?
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Post by albanian on Dec 11, 2015 9:03:50 GMT
It's been almost a week since the press release dropping incident, so it does appear there's been a change in heart (from either party). It wouldn't surprise me if they give Harry Wheeler the chance to nail down the job. He'd be the cheap option and seems to have the will of the fans behind him if he can keep getting good results.
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Post by saintsdad on Dec 11, 2015 9:36:20 GMT
omnia dicta fortiora si dicta Latina
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Post by bob666 on Dec 11, 2015 9:58:36 GMT
I got the impression from his post-match interview that Harry Wheeler is not neccessarily in a poistion to take the job given he already has a full time post in the game? Also if this is the case does anyone know how long he can 'caretake' for?
As has previously been refered to. It might be difficult for someone with a job with relatively fixed hours (a school teacher) to commit to the job. Would be worth considering spliting the job in two? Have a head coach who takes care of picking the team, training etc and a director of football who focus on recuirtment etc? Just a thought.
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2015 20:08:57 GMT
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