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Post by Saint on Jul 4, 2023 12:23:12 GMT
Stanley has joined Havant.
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Post by asf on Jul 4, 2023 13:52:36 GMT
That didn,t take long.
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Post by sideshowbob on Jul 4, 2023 14:05:59 GMT
Won't be long before we find out where Moore has gone.
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Post by saint68 on Jul 4, 2023 14:23:39 GMT
This is really bad news. As well as being good defenders who played consistently well, they contributed a lot our attacking moves. With Abidiyi and Mukena also gone it means four of our back five have left us.
With all the other departures (including loanees) it’s going to be a much changed squad next season.
I’m disappointed that Stanley left us for another NLS club. Unless there are personal or geographical reasons I have to assume it’s a financial decision, and if Havant can out bid us then it’s difficult to see us as potential Champions or even play-off candidates, unless Noble has a very good eye for players. Perhaps I’m being unnecessarily pessimistic but right now I feel we’ll all have to lower our expectations, at least until the new players settle in.
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Post by EFMTFTV on Jul 4, 2023 16:24:51 GMT
Losing Moore and Stanley are a big blow, I wouldn't begrudge them moves to National sides but it's disappointing that Stanley has chosen to join Havant, both turned down offers from us so it intention was the keep them clearly It's going to be a very different squad, but it will be Nobbys and not IA's so who knows. Also, we are yet to delve into the loan market which we did so well in last season Some questions were asked above about Wiltshire, the club haven't said anything but I was told he's done his ACL so will be out for a season. Ben Smith signed a 2 year deal I believe to include next season And we've all forgotten Romeo Akinoli, he must still be with us
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Post by lagerman on Jul 4, 2023 18:13:49 GMT
I think the losses of our good players from the squad will be big losses, it remains to be seen whether the players coming in, will suffice, but they need to be hitting the ground running, to have any chance of that. I wonder what those players were asking for, that have left, and what they were offered compared to what they earned last season ?? I don't suppose we'll ever know any of that, same as what Nobbys playing budget is, compared to last seasons, but of course it wasn't his budget when we started last season as we were under Allinson then. It is what is though, and Nobby is just going to do the best he can with what hes got, and we've just got to see where we go with it, but it is disappointing, there's no getting away from it
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Post by crisiomiro on Jul 5, 2023 11:47:16 GMT
Anyone know what’s happened to Dawson? Missing from the website along with Akinola and Wiltshire.
(Bowry also seems to have gone AWOL since signing… I guess the updates are a work in progress.)
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Post by lagerman on Jul 7, 2023 9:42:09 GMT
Flippin' ell', its sounding like a small squad for next season, althou they'll no doubt be a few loans and triallists over the next 3 or 4 weeks to help shape the squad. However, I'm thinking of digging out my kit and boots, ok, I'm in my 60's, blind as a bat and 17 stone, but by the sounds of things l might get signed on, lol !!
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Post by crisiomiro on Jul 7, 2023 15:31:19 GMT
Tafari Moore signs for Oxford City.
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Post by expatsaint on Jul 7, 2023 23:20:49 GMT
Scott Leslie, aged 20, right back, who played for our academy last season, has joined Eastbourne Borough. I believe that he only appeared once for the first team last season (v Cheshunt, Herts Senior Cup).
Apparently he is the son of Eastbourne's new owner, Simon Leslie.
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Post by sideshowbob on Jul 8, 2023 9:54:31 GMT
when tamplin was at billericay didn't he sign is son on? despite not being enough. sounds like the new owner at eastbourne is doing the same. who would buy a non league club? is it some sort of ego trip.
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Post by sideshowbob on Jul 8, 2023 9:57:31 GMT
meant to say his own son on!
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Post by fatbear on Jul 8, 2023 15:31:47 GMT
Tafari Moore signs for Oxford City. That's a good signing for Oxford City
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Post by lagerman on Jul 8, 2023 18:12:09 GMT
Tafari Moore signs for Oxford City. That's a good signing for Oxford City It is, their gain is definately our loss. I just wonder thou, as I've said many times before, whether it was our star players looking for more money after a couple of decent seasons and the Club not able to offer any more, or the playing budget the same or possibly less, for some reason, than last season. Who knows, I'd certainly like to know personally
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Post by citycentresaint on Jul 8, 2023 21:00:33 GMT
Club has no interest in going up.
Turning CP into a pub in the park generates more income.
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Post by sideshowbob on Jul 8, 2023 21:21:32 GMT
It only generates more income if you win games, otherwise regardless of the hospitality crowds will fall. It's cheaper to go to the pub, as for burgers they are junk food.
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Post by lagerman on Jul 8, 2023 23:29:16 GMT
Club as no interest in going up. Turning CP into a pub in the park generates more income. Well, l think this is why, at the end of the day, we are where we are, just in NLS, althou to be fair to the owners, they know that they have to get us in the right shape off the pitch, to go up, as well as on it, so perhaps that's their main aim.
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Post by expatsaint on Jul 9, 2023 9:46:14 GMT
Tafari Moore stated that he joined Oxford City because he not only liked their style of football but also because he wanted to test himself at a higher level.
I notice that Harry Forster has just left Bromley and has moved over to Crawley with Joy Mukena.
If I were to guess at our playing budget for the upcoming season, I would reckon that it is likely to be broadly similar, maybe a tiny bit higher, than last season's. Our basic gate revenue must have increased slightly for the 2022-23 campaign. However, we definitely missed out massively on potential income from an FA Cup run last year.
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Post by citycentresaint on Jul 9, 2023 11:42:43 GMT
Tafari Moore stated that he joined Oxford City because he not only liked their style of football but also because he wanted to test himself at a higher level. I notice that Harry Forster has just left Bromley and has moved over to Crawley with Joy Mukena. If I were to guess at our playing budget for the upcoming season, I would reckon that it is likely to be broadly similar, maybe a tiny bit higher, than last season's. Our basic gate revenue must have increased slightly for the 2022-23 campaign. However, we definitely missed out massively on potential income from an FA Cup run last year. Would agree fella. Owners can do what they want,but based on our signings, I do not see a concerted effort to get promoted.
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Post by bob666 on Jul 9, 2023 12:25:28 GMT
I wonder if an issue may be that Noble as a relatively inexperienced manager who the owners have gave his first big chance to is not necessarily in the strongest position to make demands? That a more established manager might be more assertive in making clear to the owners what he needs?
I think it's pretty clear that promotion is not in the clubs plans. Of course Noble going to try and win every match but its clear not in clubs medium term plan to go up.
With Stanley I not sure but are Havant one of these teams has a hybrid model of training? More than standard part-time but less than full time (3 mornings a week)?
My concern is less with the departures, to a extent player turnover is inevitable, but that we don't seem capable of sourcing replacements of equal quality.
One thing that does surprise is that Jeffers is still here. I know he has a year left on contract but I assumed the club would sort something out, let him find another club and if the wage is lower give him a lump sum to make up the difference. It makes no sense for anyone for our highest earner to be sitting on the bench every week and for a player of Jeffers' ability to be spending his last 'prime' years not playing. Hopefully him staying mean we plan to find a way of actually playing him every week.
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Post by expatsaint on Jul 9, 2023 19:56:18 GMT
I would agree that recent comings and goings appear to indicate that the owners have considerable reservations in the short to medium term with regard to a potential promotion.
Whilst I have no way of knowing the exact figure comprising Havant's playing budget, I think it is reasonable to assume that they have been and indeed still are spending significantly above a level commensurate with their total income. They have been and are, I would suggest, gambling with the long-term future of the club in return for possible short-term success.
I believe that St Albans City has reached a crossroads, due in part to last season's partial success. It's possible that potential signings and maybe even some of our current players, are becoming more demanding as they negotiate future contracts. Our owners could be forced to show their true ambition for the club, particularly if the squad which starts the new season is obviously inadequate.
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Post by sideshowbob on Jul 9, 2023 21:40:25 GMT
This season will be the toughest for a number of years, with torquay, yeovil and maidstone, plus sides like havant and chelmsford spending, I think we will struggle in the bottom half of the league.
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Post by lagerman on Jul 9, 2023 23:52:17 GMT
This season will be the toughest for a number of years, with torquay, yeovil and maidstone, plus sides like havant and chelmsford spending, I think we will struggle in the bottom half of the league. I'm not confident, either, of another good season tbh, with the player departures that we've had, plus the league looking like it might be stronger this coming season. But it is what it is at our Club, if over the next few years, we were to have decent seasons again, are we likely to get our decent players again wanting more money and/or their agents?? I reckon so
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Post by lagerman on Jul 9, 2023 23:57:03 GMT
Tafari Moore stated that he joined Oxford City because he not only liked their style of football but also because he wanted to test himself at a higher level. I notice that Harry Forster has just left Bromley and has moved over to Crawley with Joy Mukena. If I were to guess at our playing budget for the upcoming season, I would reckon that it is likely to be broadly similar, maybe a tiny bit higher, than last season's. Our basic gate revenue must have increased slightly for the 2022-23 campaign. However, we definitely missed out massively on potential income from an FA Cup run last year. Would agree fella. Owners can do what they want,but based on our signings, I do not see a concerted effort to get promoted. Well, at least the owners haven't got to remove their pitchside bars, they'll be happy about that, money saved there in not having to remove them, and a good source of income no doubt, but I've never been convinced regarding the ambition of the owners anyway. But if they want to get us in a sustainable position first, getting us ready to go up, off the field first, then so be it l suppose, it's their Club at the end of the day, but we need to be improving on it and selling your best players isn't a way to go about that
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Post by Canary Saint on Jul 10, 2023 6:08:37 GMT
Although I agree it will be tougher league this year because of the influx of "big" clubs, I do not think things will be as bad as some on this forum suggest. Good players that Moore and Stanley were, it must be remembered that they both came from lower leagues (which many were not happy about at the time). The current crop of new plays nearly all come from NLS clubs or better. I think City will stay in the upper half of the table, if maybe not in a promotion place. The squad is currently a bit short in numbers, but I would be surprised to not see this rectified by league kick off day.
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Post by Boomer on Jul 10, 2023 8:06:55 GMT
........Good players that Moore and Stanley were, it must be remembered that they both came from lower leagues (which many were not happy about at the time). The current crop of new plays nearly all come from NLS clubs or better. I think City will stay in the upper half of the table, if maybe not in a promotion place. The squad is currently a bit short in numbers, but I would be surprised to see this rectified by league kick off day. Well said, Canary Saint. I agree 100%.
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Post by hotsaint on Jul 10, 2023 9:30:59 GMT
We seem to be signing plenty of women. Can we do joint registration and play some of them...
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Post by boojiboy on Jul 10, 2023 10:30:55 GMT
I would agree that recent comings and goings appear to indicate that the owners have considerable reservations in the short to medium term with regard to a potential promotion. Whilst I have no way of knowing the exact figure comprising Havant's playing budget, I think it is reasonable to assume that they have been and indeed still are spending significantly above a level commensurate with their total income. They have been and are, I would suggest, gambling with the long-term future of the club in return for possible short-term success. I believe that St Albans City has reached a crossroads, due in part to last season's partial success. It's possible that potential signings and maybe even some of our current players, are becoming more demanding as they negotiate future contracts. Our owners could be forced to show their true ambition for the club, particularly if the squad which starts the new season is obviously inadequate. The Westleigh pub/clubhouse at H&W has a huge catchment area and I understand provides a very significant income stream for the club.
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Post by supersonic on Jul 12, 2023 7:33:18 GMT
So, crowd numbers have increased at Clarence Park and yet coupled with money from commercial activities we still cannot compete and keep hold of the likes of Devante Stanley. It’s not like he has done a Tafari Moore and moved up a league. The squad seems very small going into the pre season games. Maybe all the spare cash goes on paying Jeffers?
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Post by jj123 on Jul 12, 2023 8:52:10 GMT
So, crowd numbers have increased at Clarence Park and yet coupled with money from commercial activities we still cannot compete and keep hold of the likes of Devante Stanley. It’s not like he has done a Tafari Moore and moved up a league. The squad seems very small going into the pre season games. Maybe all the spare cash goes on paying Jeffers? We cannot be held to ransom by a player - if he was asking for too much - good riddance, thank you for your services.
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